J.R.: 0:00

Hello everyone, and welcome back to another fun episode of 1000 Gurus with me. Your host, jr Yonacruz. So today's guest is Hazir Rios. Hazir Rios, or Hazi, holds a BA in Psychology from UCI, where he served as president of Active Minds, a student-led organization promoting mental health awareness. He's delivered a TED Talk on improving your life, traveled to four continents and continues to inspire students as a dedicated educator. Outside of the classroom, hazir makes music and rock climbs, balancing creativity and the challenge in all areas of life. His ultimate goal is to earn a PhD in clinical psychology and to help the people around the world navigate their lives with clarity, compassion and resilience.

J.R.: 0:39

So, as with most episodes, this was so much fun because we got to catch up after not having seen each other since about 2018. Hazir's journey of pursuing different fields, like music, education and psychology, has been fascinating to watch from afar, and so I was glad to have him on the show to share his insights. I find that teachers tend to be some of my favorite guests on the show, because they typically have done a lot of reflection and they communicate their ideas really well, and Hi is no exception. We chat about his post-grad career journey that led him to working with his mother and then eventually as a teacher to high school students. We also talk about emotional communication, mindset psychology, his TEDx talk and a lot more. It was a great conversation and hopefully we'll be able to have a follow-up episode to tackle all the things we didn't get to this time around. So, without further ado, hope you enjoy this episode with Javier Rios. Hello everyone and welcome back to 1000 Gurus. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my guest, javier Rios.

Hazier: 1:35

Hello everyone. Yes, hello, hello, thanks for having me. Yeah, really a pleasure to be on.

J.R.: 1:41

Yeah, thanks for being here. I know it's been like a while since we've connected. I think obviously pre-pandemic right, yeah definitely Cool.

J.R.: 1:47

So the audience already knows what you're all about based on your bio. Let me just go into how I know you. So we met when through UCI the mutual team that were on Irmo and I think I was on council, and then you have these like young teacher adventure videos. You have like motivational, inspirational type of videos, which I think is amazing. I'm all about that, obviously. And then I checked out your soundcloud. I think you've put out like pretty dope music as well and I like to. I gravitate towards those sort of people like us, like we kind of do different things and it's like, but it's all cohesive in a sense, right, a reflection of ourself. And you also enjoy traveling. I saw some travel photos and videos too. Any other clarifications on what you're up to, what you're all about, you want to add in there?

Hazier: 2:29

that was pretty good. Yeah, and on top of that, I'm on a journey right now to eventually attain my phd in clinical psychology or educational psychology, so to be determined. But yeah, I plan on signing a master's program this fall nice.

J.R.: 2:43

Congrats, man man. Thank you, I appreciate that. That'll be super fun for you. All right. So warm-up question we did talk about this. Where does the name Boonkee come from? So that's like your username on SoundCloud and everything. So where did that come from?

Hazier: 2:55

Yeah, so it's a little bit of a funny story. In tats he was really famous like 2017, 2018, okay, for the wrong reasons, though. Yeah, yeah, like he would like rob stores, and I did not like this guy at all and he would yell boom gang every time he did it. And this guy he ended up going on like interviews. You know, he's like for lack of better terms he was something called clout chasing. He was just chasing fame, right, and trying to get viral moments to spark his music career, and over time, he just kept getting deeper and deeper into the hole of chasing fame and he started doing a lot of drugs. And there was this interview I watched where he literally passed it on the interview and I'm like, oh man, like I do not want to be like this guy, like I don't know, you can't redeem someone like that.

Hazier: 3:52

And then fast forward. I don't hear from this guy for like a year, like just radio silence. And then I remember like, oh, whatever that guy's up to, and randomly a video drops. He's like, hey, guys, I've been gone for a while, but now I've been eight months clean, I haven't done drugs and I'm actually going to turn my life to God. And this is after he went to jail and everything, and I'm like this guy's like turning his life around, fast forward to today.

Hazier: 4:14

He's actually really into religion and really into trying to show people that you can change for the better, and he goes by Holy Gabbana now, or is it John Gabbana? But he goes by Holy Gabbana and I just respected that so much because it showed me as like a young teenager to a young adult, that it doesn't matter how far gone someone might seem, they're still redeemable in some sense. And that inspired me to like kind of replicate that. And the name Boonki if you say Boonking really fast, like boonking, boonking, it sounds like boonkey. And then I came up with a term called boonkey season and that means it's comeback season, like it's never too late to turn your life around, and I have to thank him for that, because that's where the idea first came from. What I believed oh, you know what people can be redeemable, no matter how much you might think they're not, and I thought it was really beautiful, honestly, because it was someone that I despised. He's someone that I can actually kind of look up to now too.

J.R.: 5:12

I thought that was wonderful. That's a great story. I've never heard of that, but that's pretty crazy. Are you like spiritual or anything at all?

Hazier: 5:19

Not incredibly spiritual or anything I do find myself believing in like higher power, but nothing too organized, yeah, nothing so nice.

J.R.: 5:27

I kind of yeah cool I only bring that up because it reminds me of this. I forgot where this topic was, but someone was saying how to be a messenger of, let's say, a good idea or morals or principles, or just to be an example. You have to be this idea of perfect right. And then I guess, to relate it to, like biblical references, all the people who Jesus made his like disciples, and also their stuff, like they're all deeply flawed people who messed up a lot.

J.R.: 5:54

But you know, what I learned from my pastor in my church is that that's the whole point is that it's not the perfect person to give the perfect message. It's to show that everyone's flawed, everyone makes mistakes, but everyone is mostly redeemable and they can be more of an inspiration based on their story and that's the people that God uses. And so, at a higher level, it's kind of that same idea which is like, yeah, you can be, we all make mistakes, we all mess up, but I think you know that idea of your biggest pain is also your biggest ministry, meaning like what you help people with the most. I fully believe that. I think what's important is not focusing on the mess up, but it's like how can we use our mess ups to help other?

Hazier: 6:32

people Exactly. Yeah, wow, no, that, that was beautifully said.

J.R.: 6:35

Yeah.

Hazier: 6:35

I think it's great that, like your pastor, spreads that message as well, and I think I mean it's. You said it's biblical, it's biblical.

J.R.: 6:42

Yeah, so that's basically what it's based off of. Yeah, yeah, I like that story. It was really good, okay, first topic, so, as usually with all my guests, is kind of like your origin story path to UCI, because we both went there and then psychology. So where did you grow up? Who or what were your main influences, to kind of connect the dots to where you are today?

Hazier: 7:01

Let's see. Well, I grew up partially or mostly San Diego, but partially also in Mexico. I was born here or in San Diego, but then I was raised in Mexico. So when I, when we came back to live in San Diego again, I didn't speak in English. So that was a huge.

J.R.: 7:16

Wait, like so. You were born here, but then you were essentially just raised there until.

Hazier: 7:19

Yeah, until like I was like eight years old. So I came back for second grade in elementary school and it was tough because at the time like there wasn't too much DLI programs. It was. I was huge minority that not too many Mexicans in Chula Vista yet but it was a really eyeopening experience to like language barrier and like how I don't fit in. But one of my biggest influences in my life, for sure, growing up, has always been my mother. Yeah, my mother has been with me thick and thin. We've moved a lot around to not just san diego, like throughout san diego and then throughout mexico too, and she's been my rock ever since and I don't think I'd be the person that I am today without her.

J.R.: 7:58

So I know you mentioned before that you also work with your mom yeah, yeah so what is that? Could you elaborate on that? Like what capacity?

Hazier: 8:06

After, after pandemic, and I graduated, at the time I didn't have a job and I we were just going through the motion. I was expecting to get into school by the time. I didn't get it, but I was expecting that. But, like, in the meantime I went through this post-grad depression and there was a point where I realized I need to somehow turn my life around. I can maybe get into that later.

Hazier: 8:29

But after I made that realization, I realized, you know what, maybe I should work with my mother because that's something she always wanted me to do. And I always said no, she owns a hair salon, she owns a hair salon and she always just wanted me to do like reception or maybe help with scheduling. But then me, I'm like salons are not really my thing. But then something in me, I'm just you know what, I'm going to try something new. Let me work with you.

Hazier: 8:56

And it's one of the best decisions I've ever made in my life, because that experience alone made me truly realize the person that I've always looked up to and I've always wanted to get back to. I felt like I was making a genuine, direct impact on that. I was helping her with this business that is her pride and joy and for the first time in my life I genuinely felt proud of myself to help her as her son, you know. So that was a very monumental moment. I was just receptionist and now I know more about hair than I could have possibly imagined. Yeah, yeah, like balayages, keratin treatments that's probably like what is that Right? But I learned a lot and I ended up helping like managerial side too over time. It wasn't something that was just given to me instantly, but I really learned the ins and outs of the business and sharing ideas with my mother about the business. It was just, it was a blast and I didn't know I was missing that my entire life, with her especially.

J.R.: 9:52

That's pretty dope. I think that's a special experience. I've had a similar thing where my mom and I got into entrepreneurship very closely.

Hazier: 9:59

And it was again.

J.R.: 10:00

I reiterate that experience, and I was talking to my girlfriend about this last, literally literally last night. But in that same sort of like side hustle entrepreneurship thing, my, so my parents have been divorced since I was two right, and because of we got into like entrepreneurship, my dad ended up also working with me and so it was like my dad and my mom in the same room weird experience, but it was so cool because it's like I get to work with people who had the biggest influence on me. We're building towards something, working towards something, I'm assuming. It was so cool because it's like I get to work with people who had the biggest influence on me.

Hazier: 10:27

We're building towards something, working towards something.

J.R.: 10:28

I'm assuming it was all cordial yeah, exactly, and now they're super chill, but also they're like proud of me because it's like we're doing something together so like I love that as well.

J.R.: 10:34

I think if people, sometimes family dynamics are kind of challenging, but if people have the opportunity to like work with their family and kind of. You know, family time is so short and limited. They say that study of once you graduate high school, that's 90 of all the time you'll spend with your folks. But so that's why after you graduate, after you turn 18, you should spend as much time as you can with them now, because then you settle in, maybe you start families with other people and it's just holidays stuff like that yeah, it gets tough.

Hazier: 11:00

Yeah, well, and my well, quick question for you did you have that moment where it's like for me, like I want to graduate, for my mom, because I want to make her proud, but then when I did it. Yeah, I know I made her proud, but I didn't feel amazing about it as I did until I started working with her. Did you have a similar experience or?

J.R.: 11:16

I don't know if it's similar, because my parents are always just like do what you want I think you know like just be happy and stuff like that, and my parents always had their own sort of working jobs until we started doing more entrepreneurship stuff but but I totally get that. It's like as opposed to doing something for them but doing something with them is really different I get that, so now I want to take it back really quick. So could you connect the dots of you growing up?

J.R.: 11:39

in chula vista, chula vista, and then all the way to uI. In psychology, what were the inflection points that made you want to eventually go to UCI? But then also psychology, I see.

Hazier: 11:49

So let's see. Well, psychology in particular, that one's an interesting one because, well, growing up again, with the language barrier and how people treated me and then how I viewed other people At the end of the day, I found it so interesting that I was raised completely differently than the majority of my friends that I met eventually. But we all share very similar experiences when it comes to dealing with certain emotions. It's like we all experience heartbreak, betrayal, grief, joy, happiness. What makes us human? Exactly what makes us human? And I wanted to understand like, yeah, why do we share this? Or like, how does this process even happen? How do we fall in love? What does love even mean? And that was as a kid, but I didn't really understand, like wait, where does that come from? I knew it came from the brain. So initially I was applying to every school under a neuroscience major or a biology major to get into neuroscience because I knew it had to do with the brain. I didn't know about psychology at the time and I remember I heard about it my senior year of high school and they were offering it and I'm like I'm booked, I can't take the class I would love to, but maybe I'll take it to college.

Hazier: 12:53

I go to college at UCI and I literally only went to UCI because one of my closest friends at the time told me, out of all the schools you got in, I, out of all the schools you got in, I think you like this one the most. And this person knew me like really well. So I'm like, yeah, I'll take your word for it. And I just signed up for UCI and I love the school too. It's a gorgeous campus. When I visited, I made a great decision to go there, but I took my first psychology class as an elective, along with, like, biology and chemistry. I had never been more fascinated in a classroom just based on the material itself. What was the material?

Hazier: 13:24

So I learned why people experience depression and what it means to experience depression, what are symptoms of it and how you can actually deal with it. I was like I've never heard of this before, you know, and it's weird because nowadays it's really easy to look up any symptoms and how to deal with it. People have there's great channels on YouTube like Psych2Go. I don't know if you've heard of them, but that really kind of take you step by step through the process of hey, this is what it looks like and here's what it could look like for you.

Hazier: 13:55

But before I didn't have access to that, youtube wasn't that huge. It was big but not that huge. And while it was just such an eye-opener experience for me because I always had anxiety and I guess I had depression at the time and I didn't even know it and it was just an eye-opener to see a full classroom of people learning the same thing, taking it in and it's like wow, this is something that we could actually work on. I thought I was just a weird kid for feeling this way, you know. So it felt to be a part of something bigger and I felt like I fit in for once in terms of, like, my own emotions I see.

J.R.: 14:32

So you really resonated with that first class and it all just clicked into place. So now we talked about this off camera. But you're, you said you are. You got into a master's program this fall, right, correct. So where's the future lead, or what do you expect to be doing, let's say, in the next five, ten years?

Hazier: 14:48

Well, five, ten years, probably more school.

Hazier: 14:50

Yeah because the master's program would be two years or a year and a half and then, following that, I would be entering a PhD program where minimum it's five with a max of seven years. So definitely more schooling. But after that I ideally see myself teaching at universities, doing more research into the realm of psychology, because, how we mentioned before, psychology is fairly new when you compare it to most subjects like math or biology. I mean, we've been talking about anatomy for many, many years compared to psychology, and the world is constantly shifting. A lot for humans, like in terms of social aspect, in terms of technology.

Hazier: 15:29

Yeah, technology is moving faster than it's ever moved in the history of mankind. Like it's, it's a lot to take in and we're going to need people that dedicate their lives to discovering. Okay, how do we handle all of this new information? Okay, here's how we can do it. I want to be part of that team that goes in there and tries to figure out okay, how can we make this sustainable for ourselves? Really, how can we take in information? One of the things that I would love to do is, if I can improve humanity's relationships with one another and themselves, then I made it in life and I'm not going to say I'm going to change the world, Change the world.

Hazier: 16:05

Yeah, yeah but as long as I'm improving human relationships, whether that means with other people or themselves, then I did it. That's, I guess, what you would say is my end goal with that too.

J.R.: 16:16

I love it. So now, perfect transition. So now you've been in education for a while now, yes, and now we're moving over to the next topic, which is being a younger educator, building community, and then, eventually, your TED Talk. Let's start off with the first video, solomon, if you don't mind throwing this up. Okay, young Teacher Adventures by Hazi.

Hazier: 16:36

Young Teacher Adventures. So I was teaching the other day, regular day, and I had a student say hey, you all have a test this Friday and it's Wednesday, and one of the students goes Really chat, really, huh, chat.

J.R.: 16:51

Chat.

Hazier: 16:52

I love the memes. I'm not streaming. You're not streaming. Why are you saying chat Generations, young Teacher Adventures? Why are you saying chat generations so?

J.R.: 17:06

it's so funny because so I have a young, younger brother who is like a third year in college and I have a baby brother who is going into high school next year. He's always like, oh, we're so cooked, we're cooked, you know like everything, all the lingo that you know about, yep, and so I related to that a lot. I was like, yep, yeah, that's my little brother exactly.

Hazier: 17:24

Yeah, no, learning all the lingo, you'd think because I'm a bit on the younger side compared to like most of my colleagues I would. I'm like I'm gonna pick up on everything. No, cooked. I learned from them too chat. That was genuinely so true. I'm like why are you saying chat to me like I guess a twitch thing, but like why?

J.R.: 17:41

are they saying it in real life? Yeah, there's. No, we're not streaming.

Hazier: 17:45

Yeah, we're not streaming, but literally almost everyone says that now too I'll be out and about, and my friends say it too. I'm like what's happening?

J.R.: 17:53

you know, yeah, but it's cool.

Hazier: 17:54

You know that's just how it goes. But then it really showed. Wow, yeah, I guess I'm. I really am the next generation, like above now, yeah, I'm the youngest.

J.R.: 18:02

I feel like, because, like I mentioned, dancing on a ucla team, it's like skibity, they say slay because it's dance stuff and so there's all these things and I'm just like I'm hearing it and I'm like if I hear a reference that I don't know, three times I'm like, oh, this is a thing, or it's a trend, or it's a video sort of thing, but it's always a fun experience. You're like what's going? What is this language? Yeah, we're speaking the same language, but we're also not.

Hazier: 18:25

Exactly yeah, and I really did not think I would feel out of touch with the youth.

J.R.: 18:31

Like I'm young, though. What are you talking about Exactly? So how did you so? How do you get into teaching? And then, what did you teach? And all that stuff?

Hazier: 18:38

So I got into it. It was a bit random, but we have a family friend who is a middle school teacher and she suggested that I should look into it because there's a teacher shortage because of pandemic. So I decided, ok, yeah, I'll do it. And they were increasing the pay for that year because they really needed other teachers. So I signed up initially just to be a daily sub. So I was just going to do it literally once a week.

Hazier: 19:02

While I work at this at my mom's hair salon, I was like yeah we'll figure it out and I'm going to ease into it because I'm like I kind of don't want to do it because working with teenagers sounds like a nightmare, right, and so I'm going into this. Okay, I'm going to sign up for AP calculus class. They're just going to work. It'll be super chill. I'll do my thing, right, and I get there an hour and a half early because I wanted to be like like putting a good impression for my first teaching experience. And then the secretary's like, oh, you're early because it was a midday assignment, you're really early. I'm like, oh yeah, I just wanted to ask for advice because my first time doing this. And she's like well, actually, do you think it's someone in the class right now? And I'm like, what, excuse me, this is what you get for coming early exactly, exactly.

Hazier: 19:47

I'm being punished for trying to do the right thing, right, but no. And then I'm like, oh, I'm about to say no, but I'm like what class is it? What class?

Hazier: 19:54

yeah she goes, oh, it's dance. And I'm like, oh, dance. And I was like, okay, I've danced for like eight years. At this point I've actually taught classes. I have a background in ballet, lyrical jazz, contemporary hip hop. And then she goes no way, we're actually looking for a dance teacher right now. I was like, no way, yeah. And even the principal came in and she's like wait, you can actually teach dance. I'm like, well, well, yeah, if you'd like me to. But wait, is this full-time? What's going on? Like it's a lot and they need to teach right now too. And yeah, oh, one thing after another. Essentially we decided like it's a short-term position. So we did.

Hazier: 20:33

I was with him for about three months until they found like a permanent position and that changed the trajectory of what I thought I wanted to do with my career, because before I wasn't really looking into teaching. It wasn't until all this teaching experience happened, because after that three month then they saw me, oh, this guy can actually do like temporary teaching. So then I had another class for six months in English, and then I had another class, or I taught summer school, which was government and economics, and then I had another class, or I taught summer school, which was government and economics. And then I had another class that was another six months, and no, this was a four year, this was eight months, so a full school year. And that was sociology and world history. Yeah, and that was a ton of fun too. Then after that it was biology, and then it was sociology and government.

J.R.: 21:20

Okay, wait. So how do you go into teaching those different subjects? Oh yeah, you know what I mean, like psychology, uci.

Hazier: 21:26

Yeah.

J.R.: 21:27

How do you go into teaching all those different things?

Hazier: 21:28

So what helped a lot was, I mean, in college I did take courses in all of these, but what truly helped is the fact that I took AP classes in high school, like AP Gov. I'm like I could probably teach government again. I just need to like relearn everything. But to me, they ask me if I'm comfortable to do it and it's like, as long as you know these core concepts, try your best. And they're not expecting too much because I'm not a permanent position, so they're not like, hey, you need to be like top level. But I mean, in my opinion, I gave it my Like. I genuinely gave this position my all, because I told myself I'm here, I might as well try my absolute best at this, even though I know I'm not going to do this forever, at least high school teaching, I want to give it my all and try to make this as best of an experience for myself and for everyone in the classroom as well. And, yeah, it's genuinely been one of the best jobs I've ever had in my entire life. I like it, yeah.

J.R.: 22:22

So two questions and these were probably a little loaded, and or this is one thing we could probably go on hours for but biggest challenges of being a high school teacher. And then two biggest takeaways or lessons that you've learned as you reflect on your three and a half-ish or so years of experience.

Hazier: 22:37

I see so takeaways of experience. I see so takeaways challenges. So with the challenges, I would say at first it was classroom management, because I'm younger, so they're like oh, this guy's going to let us do whatever we want. Yeah, and I was, I guess, a chill teacher at the time too, but I've learned over time to like really put my foot down, like hey, like I want you guys to actually learn and navigating. That was so tough because I hate being like mean.

Hazier: 23:04

But what I did instead is I talked to them like as if they were like how I would talk to an adult. Like hey, I know this might not be that interesting, but I promise you like I'm going to try to make this as interesting as possible, do your absolute best and let's work together to make this a good educational environment for all of us. And I always tried tying everything we learned to the real world and that literally clicked for majority of the students every single time. Like wait, do they not teach you this way in your other classes? They're like nope, and that surprised me. But I get it, because it's not technically part of the core curriculum to constantly try to tie everything, and it's a lot of work to do that too, yeah, like making it relevant to the real world Exactly Like they should care about it Exactly and it's hard to make them care unless you try to find, because luckily I was younger.

Hazier: 23:57

I, luckily I was younger, I understood more pop culture references or movies or music, and I tie that in. Or maybe whatever is going on, especially in government. There was so much to talk about at the time too.

Hazier: 24:07

Trust. This is very relevant, Exactly, yeah. So that was the easiest one to tie in, along with sociology, but the ones that were a bit more challenging was like English and biology. But once I got around to those it was, I wouldn't say, walk in the park, but definitely way more manageable than the beginning. Second challenge, and probably the most pressing one, was coming up with all this extra time to try to grade everything at home, to prepare at home. It was like I don't have this time and I'm like I feel like I don't have any time for myself anymore. My life became school and I wasn't even any time for myself anymore. My life became school and I wasn't even a permanent teacher. You know, that's the part that really blew my mind from the whole thing. And then, but so this one semester, I told myself this whole semester I'm not taking any of the work home, I'm going to do it all here and I'm going to lock in and do it all during school hours, and I fell behind more than you could possibly imagine. No, it was so rough and I noticed it affected my relationship with the students too, Because something I would do and this is me like I went above and beyond. But I don't regret it Is I.

Hazier: 25:16

For the English class I made it a goal to sit one-on-one with every student and just to get to know them. So I'd ask them three questions like how's school, How's life outside of school and what's one thing you're looking forward to in life. And you'd be so surprised how much students would share. Sometimes some students didn't share and I never. I didn't pry, I just wanted to get to know them at least on a basic level, and it improved the learning environment by tenfold when I did that and but unfortunately that was when I took homework with me when I didn't do that it was 10 times harder because I still tried doing that as well. I could only do maybe half the class if I was lucky, so that that became the two biggest challenges because obviously it affects classroom management. But I needed to have some sort of a life at home again.

Hazier: 26:08

But at the time I didn't mind this job becoming like everything to me. At the time it was genuinely so fun and I guess that goes into my takeaway too with the students. I mean, I went into this job thinking man, teenagers don't like them, right, and most older adults don't, because they're reckless, they don't know what they're doing with their lives. And while maybe those two things may be true, their brilliance is also true their talent, their motivation, their compassion. And it really broke my heart like learning how many students nowadays just feel like so hopeless.

Hazier: 26:46

At such a young age too. I would tell some students oh no, you're doing amazing, I'm proud of you, You've come a long way. And seeing like the light in their eyes when I'd say that, and then some people they just crush it off like instantly. But I'm like wait, do they not hear this? Are they not as hopeful as I thought they would be about their futures? And that really was a wake-up call for me. And just seeing, I wonder how it is for them on a daily basis at the school if no one ever told them that, or if I wasn't around to tell them that, Because some students told me.

J.R.: 27:17

And the fact that, like only two students told me yeah, I've students told me and the fact that like only two students told me yeah I've never had someone tell me that before I'm like oh my gosh, they still teach you many, right yeah, exactly, and the fact that they told me that.

Hazier: 27:30

So that tells me like there's even more students that are just the like, the sound majority, and it broke my heart. And these kids need more hope in their lives. And us, as educators, it's almost part of our jobs to give them that hope too, because we're here to teach them about the world. At the end of the day, yeah, I'll teach you math and science and English, but hey, I want you to succeed in life. Should be all of us as educators, our end goal with each student that we have.

Hazier: 28:02

And I learned this when I went to summer school. It was extra pay because it's summer school, so I did it. I was like I'm going to get the worst kids in, manageable, I'm going to get the dude that yells at the teacher, that throws stuff at me or something. And I found the complete opposite. It was all the quietest kids you've ever imagined. Why do you think that is so?

Hazier: 28:23

My understanding of it is they lack the most attention in class because they're the quiet kids. So, for instance, like the rambunctious kid that like maybe he yells in class or swears whatever, the teacher pays attention to them a lot more than the person that's like and for lack of better words, like suffering in silence every single kid for both of my summer school classes silent. It wasn't until closer to the end of summer school session like a bit more lively because I did exercises for them to talk to each other, but for the most part I was shook. Everything I thought about, like what determines a failing student, just was flipped on its head. It was like oh, we're not paying attention to our students enough because they knew their stuff. Once I had to do a lot of one-on-one, but once I really talked to them and really guided them, they got it like that. But it was like wow. But I don't blame teachers too.

Hazier: 29:13

The ratio is wow yeah you know uphill battle it is. I mean for me alone I had. The most I had was around maybe 150 students, something like that, 140 and that. That that's a lot for me, but I still try to do my best. But I can't imagine like with especially teachers that are older. That's a lot of like young people to manage a lot of energy, gotta go home socially trained. I didn't want to talk to to anyone so that's why I don't necessarily blame the teachers. It's more of maybe we need a better system like organizational at least. But yeah, our kids do need a bit more attention on the just emotional front too and hope.

J.R.: 29:56

That segues great into our next section, but really quick, I want to show your TED Talk photo. My second guest has ever had a TEDx talk, which is fantastic. I'll link to it in the show notes so they can check it out. I loved it. Little by little, thank you. You kind of touched upon it in your story, but I think that's very impactful. It's like the idea of tackling a large thing. You just kind of do it piece by piece Exactly and I you just kind of do it piece by piece exactly, and I think that's very good for especially your students. We have to move on to the next section now, but so this next topic is on social relationships, emotional well-being and getting human experience. So you put that in like the topics. So could you elaborate on this idea of more, this idea of personal human experience? What do you mean by?

Hazier: 30:36

that? Yeah. So with personal human experience, it's just focusing more on the individual experience, like, not so much like your friends or relationships loving one another. What does your life look like on a day-to-day basis? How do you talk to yourself? What is your self-talk? And most of us have a self-monologue every day. What is that saying to you every day? Or?

Hazier: 30:57

a mental script, exactly Like a mental script. What is that saying? Every day, how do you view yourself, how do you react to things all the time? Because for the most part, I don't think I've had an experience in any classroom at least in high school, where we touched on that where it's like, hey, how do you approach situations on your own? How do you look at your life?

Hazier: 31:20

Because we all have such different perspectives. We come from completely different backgrounds, even if we're culturally similar. Our parents raised us probably completely differently. Maybe some of us only had one mom and one dad, or we had both parents, and maybe they collided. Maybe they had the greatest love of their life, maybe we had siblings or not. Everyone has their own personal experience when it comes to their views on the world. So my idea is I think we need to focus on that a little bit in some aspect at a younger stage in life, so we can have a better understanding of how to take in our environment, because we always focus on like, make sure you get the right friends or, oh, make sure you marry the right person. It's always of connecting with others. What about connecting with yourself?

J.R.: 32:05

a little bit External versus internal.

Hazier: 32:07

Exactly yeah, and it would be great if there's some way we can incorporate that into our curriculum in like high school stage. Maybe elementary might be too early or maybe middle school, but definitely a high school stage would be a good stage to really explore that in more detail for everyone, because that can make or break you.

J.R.: 32:27

Right. So we talked about this a little bit off camera, but If you were to, you were talking about the educational system and how we can improve it. Obviously, there's a lot of room for improvement and growth. If you could, in an ideal world, create that, what are some highlights or key changes do you feel like would make the most impact?

Hazier: 32:44

An entire class on just communication. What kind of communication so, for instance? Well, one public speaking, I think, is one of the best things you can do. So, for instance, I've told my students and they hate me for this, but I've told my students English is probably one of the best classes you'll ever take, because that's the closest we'll get to communications in a high school level, because one presentations, but two, I just I would love to see students practice emotional talk as well, like, how do you convey your emotions to another person?

Hazier: 33:13

Let's take, let's say something bothers you, right? How do you approach, like, a conflict resolution with someone else when it comes to, hey, this about you annoys me, okay. How do you approach that effectively? I only learned this when I was in college. I took a whole class on social relationships and how you should approach certain situations, and I was also a peer educator. So that was all about, okay, mental well-being and this is how you express yourself in an effective and respectful manner. We're losing that a lot because it's not touched upon at an earlier stage in life, and I believe that would just have tremendous value on people's relationship with not only other people but themselves too. Let me give you an example. So you know, when you write an essay, you have to write an intro as to like this is what the essay is pretty much going to be about. That's how most people should go into conflict resolutions with anyone.

Hazier: 34:04

So let's say, for instance, like me and my girlfriend, let's say I'm always late to things, and she gets really annoyed by it. She'll go up to me like, if she doesn't preface anything, she goes hey, this really annoyed me. I just am constantly baffled by the fact that you're always late and you make me feel stupid and it's like that's more of like a hostile environment versus if she was to preface. Like, hey, I'm only going to say this because I want our relationship to improve for both of us and I just want to understand you a little bit better. I want a relationship to improve for both of us and I just want to understand you a little bit better. And can I just want to be honest, like it kind of annoys me that you're consistently late and it hurts and it really irritates me.

Hazier: 34:45

That at least opens the door to the possibility of it being more of a conflict resolution, rather than oh, she's attacking me Because at least it opens the door. I'm not saying guaranteed, hey, preface everything and people would understand you. No, but at least it opens the door to just a civil discussions. Oh wait, yeah, she does love me. She's only doing this for the betterment of our relationship. That prefacing. It sounds so simple, but it's like the most effective thing you can do when it comes to conflict resolution. It doesn't even have to be romantic. It can be your friends, your family, if you talk to yourself a little bit.

J.R.: 35:24

That could also really help. I do it all the time. I ask myself like wait, preface to myself Hazi, yeah, we need to do this, exactly. No, yeah, exactly, and it helps a lot.

Hazier: 35:29

It helps a lot. The words you say on a daily basis, especially to yourself. On a daily basis, especially to yourself, eventually create that reality for you.

J.R.: 35:36

Yeah, I like that. I think my next question is like this idea of emotional well-being.

Hazier: 35:43

We're kind of talking about that.

J.R.: 35:44

But what do you think people get wrong about their own emotional well-being?

Hazier: 35:48

What I've seen, kind of two things. One, people don't give enough patience and time to emotions compared to other things. So, for instance, let's say you want to get six-pack abs, right, you do a thousand sit-ups today, you're not going to have a six-pack tomorrow. That's just not how it works right. You might see a difference because a thousand's a lot, but you're not going to have the shape that you ideally want. It takes time and consistency. The same thing with emotions, and I've seen this with my students too, because I've had classes where we discussed hey, here's some little things you can do in your life to improve mental well-being. And I had one student tell me yeah, I tried the journaling option and it doesn't work. I still feel the same. I'm like it's been three days. You know, it's been only three days.

J.R.: 36:32

You don't have abs yet. Exactly Right. Yeah, exactly, but it's been only three days.

Hazier: 36:33

You don't have abs yet Exactly, it's because you can't see it. It's all about how you feel. You can't see the progress. Trust me, there's progress in there. Let's say you did 100 sit-ups. There's progress there, but you just can't see it yet.

Hazier: 36:48

I believe people need to give emotional well-being that same patience. Also, the difference is too, it's not one size fits all. Again, going back to the ab example, like you can do sit-ups and you'll probably get there eventually. But let's say you do the journaling thing for a while. That might not work for you. Maybe you need to just go outside more. Maybe talk to your family more, connect with them more, maybe meditate, sit there in your thoughts and just think and just you know, be worry-free for a few seconds, a few minutes.

Hazier: 37:16

And there's so many options and I really I've told myself and my students time and time again if you would give someone else the grace and the patience and the options to try to change your lives, especially someone you love, you'd be like, hey, I'm going to do everything I can to help you to get out of this rut. Why don't you give yourself that same treatment? That changed everything for me and hopefully it changed a lot for my students. But oh, and the second thing too when it comes to like emotional well-being and when people think emotional control, they think like all right, you got to be a robot. You just can't react to anything Like no, not necessarily.

Hazier: 37:55

Think like all right, you got to be a robot, you just can't react to anything Like no, not necessarily. It's just, there's appropriate times to be sad, there's appropriate times to not make it worse either. To me, emotional control is yes, I'm sad, yes, whatever I'm going through is really intense, like, maybe, loss of life, betrayal, whatever it may be, heartbreak of some sort. I'm going to do everything in my power to not make this worse for myself, because a lot of people will turn to drugs, downward spiral, downward spiral, and it's tough, and that comes with not having enough emotional well-being, enough emotional control. That's more of what we mean, as when we say you should have good emotional control, because there's a time and place to cry it out and be sad, but, man, do your absolute best to fight for yourself too.

J.R.: 38:36

It reminds me a lot of Inside Out. Grab one and two, both great movies and what I similar. I guess the big takeaway for me is that our emotions are there for a reason and for a lot of people who try to robot their way through life it kind of suppresses those things and they're there to help us and to your point understanding, controlling it whatever, processing it, giving it the time to breathe and then moving on to solve the problem. But also what you're saying, you know fight for yourself. Don't go into that downward spiral. Don't let anxiety or whoever, take over yeah, so I like that.

Hazier: 39:09

And well, last thing, to touch on that too, it's like also the one I mentioned, the patience too. It's like like almost never ending. It's like if you want to keep the abs, you got to keep working out. And it's the same thing with emotions. People think, oh, I feel better, now I can stop. Stop, yeah, it's a lifelong process.

J.R.: 39:23

Exactly, it's consistency, lifelong but it's what makes it fun too. Yeah, it's an added value to talk about this. Similar again is what do you think are the biggest challenges in navigating social relationships? So similar vein, and then maybe, what advice do you have for people to navigate and or improve these social relationships?

Hazier: 39:45

Let's see navigating social relationships. Well, I mentioned it earlier, 1000% has to be communication and how we communicate ourselves to others, like how we present how we feel about someone to another person. Communication how we present how we feel about someone to another person.

J.R.: 39:56

Like communication, how we present how we feel about someone to another person.

Hazier: 40:00

No, no, how we feel about ourselves to them.

J.R.: 40:02

Oh, to them.

Hazier: 40:02

Yeah, yeah, sorry about that, yeah, and so let me think here. So, for instance, there's been times in marriages where they feel like, oh, we fell out of love. The spark is gone. It's like, well, love can be a feeling, but love is also a commitment, it's a choice, it's an effort, right, and it's talking through like, okay, let's be honest with each other, we're losing the spark. What can we do to reignite it? Well, we haven't gone on a date in like six months. Perfect, let's try that. And it's like people mislabel love too much as just a feeling, just passion, just the spark. No, it's so much more than that, and I to me, that's what makes at least human love one of the most beautiful experiences in life. Because, yeah, you can lose it and it's scary, it's terrifying to lose love, but I think the fact that you could potentially lose it makes it all the more valuable yeah exactly so.

Hazier: 41:00

When people approach love always, just don't assume it's based on the feeling, work at it. It's, at the end of the day, I mean I don't want to say treat it like work, but it is work. It requires effort, it requires effort and it's that whole like fight for yourself. If you're a downward spiral, fight for your love man, both of you. It's a two-way street. If one person's not reciprocating, then explore other options or something, other ways to deal with that. But at the end of the day, with most marriages that at least have been studied, it's because they don't talk about their love anymore, because then it becomes about the kids, about their car, about their career, about other things other than external.

Hazier: 41:39

Yeah, because we get really comfortable. Even I mean, I've been in my relationship for a few years now but even I've gotten too comfortable and it's pretty fresh. But it's like, oh wait, yeah, maybe we should go on dates more often, let's explore new worlds together more often and let's keep this thing alive together, you and me. And that's the beauty of what love should be and that's communication, like having that uncomfortable conversation like honestly, we got to do something, you know, and it's so hard and it's so so hard. And last thing I'll touch on that segues into it is how a lot of my students they find talking about emotions cringy and that's like another way of saying it's just uncomfortable for them. They don't want to do it and it's like I get it because you've never really done it before, especially in like a controlled setting.

Hazier: 42:28

But at the end of the day, it's something that I believe everyone should just attempt doing sooner rather than later. I believe everyone should just attempt doing sooner rather than later. Take that chance with having a nice conversation with your parents and hopefully it goes well. At least you try it and the door is open. But every single time and this has helped me a lot every single time I always tell myself chances are it can work out, but it can always not, because humans are incredibly unpredictable. You could be extremely perfect, like in terms of what you say, how you do it, how you execute it, maybe how you present your emotions to someone.

Hazier: 43:02

It's perfect on paper, but the person can still be like nope, I don't accept you, it's like dang, but that's how humans are. We're incredibly unpredictable because of our feelings, I would say people, and people should be very patient with themselves when it comes to social relationships and relationships with themselves I love it.

J.R.: 43:23

Now I can see why you were so good at your ted talk.

Hazier: 43:26

This is such a wealth of information.

J.R.: 43:28

I loved every single point.

Hazier: 43:29

I'm not going to add anything to that. Oh, appreciate it thank you guys.

J.R.: 43:32

Listen to this again, rewind it. That was I mean. The rest of it was too, but you got your money's worth, cool, all right. Thanks, let's transition to rapid fire. You ready, all right? So rapid fire questions. You can take as much time as you need within 15 minutes. Yeah, gotcha.

Hazier: 43:55

First question. I have two. Is that okay? Okay? Number one is, as I mentioned before, it is never too late to turn your life around. I've met people in their 80s that have been drug-free for six years and now they dedicate their lives to teaching others people much younger than them, to stay drug-free as well at like rehab centers. It's absolutely amazing to see. And then, obviously, with the boom gang experience, gabana, but with my own students, I have 17 year olds telling me mr elis, now it's, it's too late for me, I don't think I can be successful I'm like you're 17, yeah, like it's not too late.

Hazier: 44:26

You know it's not too late. Yeah, sure you didn't start studying hard when you were five. Sure, start now. Yeah, right, start right now and see where life takes you, because it's. I've had friends that they graduate 2.7, go to community college and then they transfer into, like UC Berkeley Whoa, right, anyway. The second one is life is as simple as you want it to be.

Hazier: 44:46

This one carries a bit more context, but it's because you can let someone critiquing you or making fun of you affect you for the rest of your day, rest of your week. Or critiquing you or making fun of you affect you for the rest of your day, rest of your week. Or you could take that and be like okay, I'll move on, because a lot of us take in negativity so intensely, especially me. I'm guilty of that too. I'm working on that. So if I get 10 compliments a day, one person says something negative sticks with you, right. But instead of making that complicate my life, oh, let me simplify it. Or let's say I want to get good at doing music. That's complicated. Oh, let me get good at it and simplify it. That's that way. Or my relationship, oh, it might be complicated. Well, let's simplify it by effectively communicating with each other, so we're on the same page about things. Life is as simple as you want it to be.

J.R.: 45:31

I like it.

Hazier: 45:32

Next question what is one of the hardest challenges you faced and what did you learn from it? Oh, let's see Rapid fire. Huh, I'd say, believing in myself. I, for so many years of my life, was incredibly hard on myself. I would do a performance like for dance, for example, and my friends would be like, wow, that was really good, like you're really good. I would do a performance like for dance, for example, and my friends would be like, wow, that was really good, like you're really good. I would be like, thanks, but no, I would tell them that. I would be like, no, you're actually wrong, exactly.

Hazier: 46:04

And, looking back, I kind of took away from their excitement too, from their experience. It's like, oh man, I kind of ruined all those moments when people told me good job, and I ruined it for myself especially, and even I've been in instances where I just didn't believe in myself and it like held me back from so many opportunities in life or ruin friendships because I'm like, oh no, I suck, I'm a terrible person, I'm not a good enough friend for you, I need to leave like it was really bad. Me being against myself is if I were to have a regret. I don't have regrets because I love the person I am today, but if I were to have one, it would be.

J.R.: 46:42

I should have believed myself sooner rather than later, hey, but it's never too late, exactly okay, well, I guess, in the same vein, if you could give your younger self advice, what would it be now?

Hazier: 46:52

believe in yourself yeah, yeah and, at the end of the no one will come to save you except yourself. Because I was surrounded by wonderful people that would try to help me all the time, like you should go for this job opportunity. Oh, you should take this class, you should do this. And I'm like, no, I'm not good enough. Like, at the end of the day, like everyone can try to lift me up, but if I'm holding myself down, I'm the biggest weight. So I genuinely believe in yourself.

J.R.: 47:20

If you could redo one thing, what would you do differently? And I know you said no regrets, but as a thought experiment, maybe something in teaching if you could go back if you could redo something, what would you redo?

Hazier: 47:31

I think I would try to incorporate. I started doing it in like my later half of my teaching career is. I started having like TED Talks in class. So when there was time I would write on the board like topics that I knew about, or I'd be like what's a topic you think I can talk about? And that was so fun for the students.

Hazier: 47:50

I'm like I should have done this earlier, because then it made them more engaged to do everything we were learning. They're like I should have done this earlier, because then it made them more engaged to do everything we were learning. They're like, wait, this guy kind of knows this stuff and I made it fun and interesting for them. And it was so fun hearing their thoughts too, because it wasn't just one-sided. I'd be like, and has anyone experienced something like this? And then they would share their story related to the topic. Oh, it was such a blast. That was such a blast.

J.R.: 48:12

Yeah, what new belief, behavior or habit has improved your life in the last few years?

Hazier: 48:18

let's say I would say, reminding myself that there are things outside of my control and that there's things in my control, as long as I'm getting the things in my control. I worry a lot less about everything else now, because before man, I was worrying about every little thing, every little thing that was out of my control and it played into the whole. Like see, you're not good enough because you can't control everything. Like it was tough. But reminding myself every day you know what. I'm just gonna focus on what I can do right now. Everything else, like it is, like it is what it is right.

Hazier: 48:55

Yeah, but as long as I focus on what I can do, I'm proud of myself. I'm happy with the person I am, because I'm consistently working on the things that I can do.

J.R.: 49:05

I love it. All right, this is a two-part, each side of the coin question. But if you knew you wouldn't fail, what would you be doing now? And if you knew you would absolutely fail? What would you be doing now? And if you knew you would absolutely fail, what would you do anyway?

Hazier: 49:18

Wow, I love this question. If I knew I couldn't fail, well, I would be a musician, doctor of psychology yeah, I would do that. And my genuine dream if I just couldn't fail at it is I'd go on like a tour of doing concerts and also doing public speaking.

J.R.: 49:39

I love it, I'm a psychologist.

Hazier: 49:40

yeah, but I could do both. But it's like realistically, I don't know, I don't know. I'm telling myself I could do both.

J.R.: 49:46

You never know right. Little by little man. Little by little, that's right.

Hazier: 49:51

Yeah, I gotta take my own advice really.

J.R.: 49:54

Yeah. So if you knew you would absolutely fail, what would you be doing anyway?

Hazier: 49:58

Psychology and speaking about it with students, people that have a whole life ahead of them. I would try to help them, no matter what. Even if I fail, well, I'm still doing what I love, and if there's just a chance I can improve just one person's life in the room, that's the world to me, yeah.

J.R.: 50:16

I like it All right. What is one thing that you've been pondering deeply, or what is your favorite hot take you think people wouldn't agree with?

Hazier: 50:25

My favorite hot take? People or something I've been pondering deeply, or favorite hot take.

J.R.: 50:28

Yeah.

Hazier: 50:33

That's a really that's a tough one. Wow, A hot take if you don't have one.

J.R.: 50:37

You should be something you've been thinking about, something I've been thinking about.

Hazier: 50:40

Well, just people's opinions, like mainstream opinions on things, not I don't want to use the word mainstream, but it's just general opinions towards art nowadays, like especially movies and tv shows and music, and just art like paintings like I've seen way more negativity around it than I ever have in my entire life. Like I believe, if people found a way to express their own art, I don't think we should call that like terrible, we should be like oh, I don't agree with that, I just don't rock with it, but it's cool. Like I don't think we should be knocking on people's art so harshly Because, at the end of the day, majority of art isn't necessarily offensive either. It's just they try their best. Exactly, it's just an expression. They try their best to convey this message. And I think we're being way too harsh, especially on newer people pursuing art. Oh my gosh, I've seen people just get ripped into. I'm like this is their first time posting anything.

J.R.: 51:37

Like it's tough man and this is the majority of the time it's people who don't create themselves. Exactly Right.

Hazier: 51:42

Exactly that's the part that irks me so much, and yeah, and so the hot take part is I don't think every person with a phone needs to post their opinion necessarily.

J.R.: 51:52

Yeah, I like it. I opinion necessarily. Yeah, I like it. I like it, especially if it's so negative. Nice, yeah, okay, what is one of the best or most worthwhile investments you've made in either time? Money, energy, et cetera.

Hazier: 52:02

Wait, can I say one more hot, take, go ahead. We should ban phones in school.

J.R.: 52:09

I mean I like it.

Hazier: 52:09

I'm trying to ban phone for myself Okay great, yeah, it's kind of hard, but I want to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause that's such a distractor, but best investment. Yeah, so this changed my life. So there was a period where I feel like I've hit rock bottom multiple times. I feel like that's all of us, yeah, yeah, but I felt like I hit that period. I remember I was on the floor scrolling through TikTok for seven hours straight and I was like I need to fix my life.

Hazier: 52:30

You are yeah yeah, yeah, oh gosh, yeah, yeah, oh gosh. But at the end of the day I decided you know what? I'm going to walk outside every day for at least 10 minutes. 10 minutes turned into 20 to 30, an hour into 10,000 steps a day Changed my entire life. I got my life together. I started talking to my family more. That's when I started working for my mom. I started working on myself, exercising more, because I was 20 pounds underweight too, and to me, I just wasn't proud of that. I felt really unhealthy. I was getting sick a lot, I wasn't sleeping well, I was waking up but anyway, and just walking outside. No music, just walking, just being present, exactly, and just thinking. And then I would take breaks on this bench with a decent view and I'm like and then I started walking with, like the old man, walk the hands behind your back. Yeah, and I'm like I understand why they do this now, like, wow, it had such such a dramatic impact on me. It changed my life forever Walking outside every day.

J.R.: 53:28

I like it, I recommend it, I do the same. 10,000 steps has changed my life, like in small ways, but also it's like the little things but also the big things.

Hazier: 53:36

So I recommend it Exactly. Last rapid, yeah, exactly.

J.R.: 53:39

Little by little, right Little by little. Last question, for rapid fire favorite books, movies, videos, articles, media, et cetera that you share the most, any sort of media that you're like besides your ted talk, I know, oh, yeah, because it's great, yeah, do that.

Hazier: 53:59

But to me it's always because, like it depends, like, oh, I know you like this, so you should watch this. All right, super random, I said watch anime I love anime.

J.R.: 54:05

Okay, okay, no, I mean same. My last few episodes are all in anime. Yeah, top rec.

Hazier: 54:10

Oh god, oh god, okay, if you're new hunter hunter. My personal favorite has been re-ero, season two, because of the exploration of the psyche and the character development Boom there, it's rapid fire.

J.R.: 54:21

I love it. Rezero's on my list. Yeah, okay, cool, we have come to the end, hazi, so this ending question. So I like to end with gratitude Shout out to my mom.

Hazier: 54:36

I just called her you. What are you grateful for? I'm, wow, Well one. I'm grateful for this experience. It's been phenomenal. I think you're doing a great job and I think you're changing the world little by little with this. Honestly, Thanks, man, and I'm just really grateful for the life I have right now. There's moments where I think my life kind of sucks, but I'm like no, it doesn't really yeah no-transcript. But man, it's just good to sit back and be grateful and just trust the process. Trust the process, I like it.

J.R.: 55:25

So, on that note, final ask from the audience or final takeaways you'd like them to have. Should I look at the camera? Go for it.

Hazier: 55:32

Right there, guys, please, please, please. The last person you should ever give up on is yourself. Absolutely yeah, and just try to live a life with love, with good intentions, and don't stop learning. Do not stop learning. Watch more than 1,000 gurus. You'll learn a lot.

J.R.: 55:49

Thank, you, sir. I don't plug my podcast often, but thank you for that. Like, subscribe, share, comment, whatever. If this added value, let me know. All right, last question, hazzy, where can we find you if people want to see what you're up to, connect, et cetera?

Hazier: 56:01

Yeah. So I got Instagram TikTok, so hazyer, yep, right there, and then TikTok is just 33. On top of that, I stream too on my alter ego account, boomkey 33. And then I also wait. Is that it? I think that's it right, that's it SoundCloud. Oh, my SoundCloud. Yeah, boomkey on Spotify as well. Spotify, apple music on all streaming platforms. I make music on there. Yeah, it's really fun.

J.R.: 56:24

Perfect, yeah, and I'll link to it in the episodes. Thank you so much for being here.

Hazier: 56:31

Thank you, man, I really appreciate it.

J.R.: 56:32

Thanks for stopping by. I know we have a lot we could probably cover perhaps a part two if it's in the cards, but I really appreciate you being here yeah, no, thank you so much for having me. I would love to be back yeah, nice, alright, so my final sign off for the audience. Thank you guys for being here. I really appreciate it. Reminder to