J.R.: [00:00:00] Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of 1000 Gurus with me, your host, J.R.. Yono Cruz. Today's guest is my friend Cat. I had Cat on the show as guest number three in season one, so I thought we were overdue for another catchup just to see what was up with her. She's someone I only really see either one-on-one, like on this podcast or in the club randomly, but it's usually the latter. Even though this was a very relaxed and casual episode, we go pretty deep into two specific topics, nightlife and dating. She gives a really good inside look into what it's like being an event organizer and promoter, some stories about hosting idols and even Sean Solo, AKA Hongdae guy. We also talk a lot about the dating scene, dating profile tips, specifically Hinge, which she's an expert on, and first date advice for both guys and girls.

J.R.: So if you're looking to be a part of the nightlife scene, just want to hear what it's like, and or want some dating advice if you're single, or if for someone like me who just enjoys hearing Cat take on [00:01:00] various subjects, this episode is definitely for you.

J.R.: So without further ado, hope you enjoy this episode with Cat.

J.R.: Hello and welcome back to 1000 Gurus. Cat. Welcome back to the show. 

Catherine: Hi. Thanks for having me back. Always enjoyed being here. Thanks. You. 

J.R.: Yes. It's been quite a while. You were guest number three, I believe, on the show. Is that correct? I think approximately, yeah. Were guest approximately around there.

J.R.: Yeah. Yeah. So literally guess number three. So you are an OG and now this is going to be episode 62. So you are in season one and season seven. 

Catherine: Damn. 

J.R.: It is quite a milestone. Anyways, it's been a while since we caught up, so how are you Kat? 

Catherine: I am doing so well. I currently have a thriving nightlife like career that I was thrown into, so that's what I've just been spending a lot of my time on.

Catherine: What about you? 

J.R.: Good. Just the school year started, so Koreos has literally just started, we just got a roster coming out. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So personally not looking [00:02:00] forward to having to drive to UCLA and have dance practices, but, whatever. Yeah. For the kids. 

Catherine: Gotta do it. 

J.R.: I'm curious I know we have a couple of topics and we'll kind of riff on that for a little bit.

J.R.: But were you already doing nightlife before, when we last spoke, and it just kind of increased or was this like a whole new thing? 

Catherine: I've been in a nightlife scene since I was so young, but it feels almost like I inherited it from my mom 'cause she way back in the day, she used to straight up own a nightclub.

Catherine: 'cause she and her friends would party so much that they decided let's just buy one back in Vietnam. And then they did that. And now I'm in nightlife and she's like, ah, you're so much like me. Don't be too much like me. And I'm like, okay, I'll try. So I've been in that scene for a long time. Even in Korea, I'll be like 19 years old, like dancing on stage.

Catherine: And as soon as I hit 21, COVID happened. So I wasn't really feeling like going to the clubs and all that. But now like I have so much freedom and I have so much free time and I just feel so [00:03:00] drawn to the music and the atmosphere of nightlife. So I just fell into it. I never applied for the job. It was either referred to me or just straight up, like the owner of the company is like. Hey, this is Cat. She's, she'll be working with us. I'm like, oh, I am. Okay. It happens. It happens. 

J.R.: So the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And you've always been around nightlife. Yeah. But you're saying, when did you start, like I guess working within that, like professionally or getting asked to help out or something?

Catherine: I started professionally when I was 21. And I was dancing at the nightclubs just like doing like K-pop performances and some go-go dancing. But now I work as a bartender and a promoter. I've been a bartender for the last three years, and I've been a promoter for the last year. 

J.R.: I know you mentioned that it's always been your scene. You've been in it for a while. Was it your intention to go in or was there a serendipitous story that kind of sucked you in? Or it was, what was that.

Catherine: It necessarily my intention, I [00:04:00] think I just enjoyed going to the club. Especially I started going to WeHo mainly, so West Hollywood, that's where a lot of the gay nightlife is and I feel the most safe there for the most part.

Catherine: I enjoyed going there. They have a lot of K-pop nights, so that's usually what drew me in. So I started working with a event company called QT Nightlife and they're mainly a gay Asian company and like event promoter, they work with different venues different clubs that cater towards Asian and or gay communities.

Catherine: And so I started working with them as a performer and a minor organizer. And then recently I started going to K-Town and that's how I got into the current promoter company that I'm with right now. 

J.R.: Okay. So how's it been since then? You said it's been a couple years. 

Catherine: Yes. It's been a couple years now.

Catherine: I'm not necessarily tired of it, but [00:05:00] I feel like the joy and like the excitement is gone to rally all your friends and go clubbing. 'cause I show up and I feel like I have a different kind of joy now. It feels more comfortable, if that makes sense. It's not like, oh my God, I'm going clubbing. It's more of oh my God, I'm partying with all my friends and I get to do this every week.

Catherine: So I fortunately am not jaded because of nightlife just yet. 

J.R.: Makes sense. So, it's funny because in college, my friends and I, when we would go clubbing, it would exclusively be in WeHo at like Game Boy when they were around and because they would, I never got go there. Yeah. Yeah, they would have. The reason why we went to those clubs in particular was because they had some, like once a month or once every few months, like a K-pop night.

J.R.: Mm-hmm. And back then K-Pop wasn't really that big. Mm-hmm. I reflect your sentiment because I always love going to gay clubs way more. 'cause it was a lot more fun. 

Catherine: Yeah. 

J.R.: My friends who were girls always felt safer there. And it's there'll be gay dudes walking around and dancing with us and [00:06:00] it's all chill.

J.R.: But very less those creepy guys who kinda just come around and ruin the night. Yeah. And so for me that was always more fun. And then it's always nice to get hit on once in a while and mm-hmm. Some guy asks if oh, can I buy you a drink? I'm like, no, it's okay. And I'm all dancing's.

J.R.: Okay. I'm like, that's okay. Oh, you're the third guy. Ugh. So it's good for the ego of course. 

Catherine: Yeah. My guy friends tell me that all the time. They're like, oh yeah, no, I love going to the gay club every once in a while. 'cause it's nice to get hit on. I don't get hit on much often. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, let's go.

Catherine: Lemme take you. Let's go get let's go get get you a little side piece. 

J.R.: Yeah. For us guys, since we don't get hit on our cat called as much or maybe, for the not as attractive guys out there. Mm-hmm. It's it's, it's kind of nice you're like, oh, this is what it's like to, be an attractive woman. I guess maybe it's like a little. Yeah. Dip in the, dip in the water.

J.R.: So you work as a promoter, bartender. I think one of the things that we were talking about beforehand is like working with Korean entertainment and hosting idols. I wanna ask either how did that happen or is just [00:07:00] naturally working at those companies?

J.R.: And then maybe, do you have any interesting experiences or stories you wanna share? 

Catherine: I work at a club in K-Town that's known for exclusive, if you know, you know, because the people who own the club and the people that run the club are highly connected, especially to the Korean entertainment industry a lot.

Catherine: So the people that own the club are in the industry itself. So because they have so many connections a lot of K-pop idols whenever they're in LA they tend to go to and to Korea. We have a like a private area for them. So they're not like partying with the rest of K-Town, like they're in their own area.

Catherine: Sometimes the whole venue will be booked out just for like private people private events and stuff like that. But I would say that every once in a while I'll just get a notification that like, oh, by the way, this idol from this group is here. Do you wanna go meet them? And I'm like, can I, do I need to sign an NDA?

Catherine: They'll, they're like, eh, you're not [00:08:00] stupid enough to say something. I'm like, okay. But yeah, at a certain point, like it was especially crazy during K Con weekend because we were I had to help out with some idols that were in the private spaces as well as some other idols and groups that wanted to come and actually party.

Catherine: But we're like we're so sorry. We are at full capacity. Like we've been at full capacity. 30 minutes is opening. So unless you're paying for a private like space I'm sorry, you just can't get in. Like you gotta, unfortunately I needed say no to some of these people. And I'm like, I don't wanna say no, but I'm gonna have to say no.

Catherine: Or I get my boss to say no for me. 'cause I'm like, Hey, they're your clients, not mine. Don't make me say no to these people. And he's like, okay. No. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. What he said, 

J.R.: you are like, I'm not calling the shots, I'm just, I'm not calling.

Catherine: Hey, not my circus. I'm just a monkey. 

J.R.: Do you have any do's and don'ts and what you've [00:09:00] learned about hosting celebrities, idols, famous people mm-hmm.

J.R.: And being in that back room sort of environment? 

Catherine: Yeah. I would say the biggest thing that I, it's not really something that I've learned, but you gotta be a part of, like a select group of people who already inherently know how to make these decisions yourself. There, there shouldn't be somebody to tell you like, Hey, don't tell anybody about this.

Catherine: There is like an atmosphere of secrecy, I would say. But it's don't go telling everybody your client's business. And that should be applied to any professional job, to be honest, where you need to like, help people in hospitality. And with that I do believe that I just bring the vibes.

Catherine: Like my job is to bring the vibes. I'm not there to technically I am, they're at book tables and like all that stuff. But I'm here to bring the vibes, good vibes. And I will kick people out if I have to. And I have 'cause some people, this is a very frequent thing, especially in K-Town. I don't care how much followers you have, [00:10:00] and I don't care how much money you have.

Catherine: If you're causing like a wreck inside the club and you're treating people incorrectly, you gotta go. I am down to tell people like, no, you gotta go. And fortunately for everybody. Like I am that person. I've been treated horribly at the club that I work at because people don't know that I work there and I'm well connected.

Catherine: So they will treat me all sorts of way. They'll like try to like bully me, sexually harass me and things like that. And as soon as I'm like, I tell, as soon as I tell my boss and he comes around, they're like, oh, oh, I didn't know you work here. Oh, how you doing? I'm like, okay, you still gotta go 'cause I don't like to switch up that's happening. 

J.R.: I mean, like regardless if you work there or not, they shouldn't be. Yes, exactly. You know, treat people like that, right? 

Catherine: Yeah. So they'll, like there are some people who would treat you worse if they know that you're a staff and there are some people who will treat you worse if they think that you're just a regular person. They think that they're, either way, they think they're better than you. And listen, unless you pay my bills, you are not better than me. 

J.R.: Yeah. [00:11:00] Does that happen often or, I don't know if that's a good question, but like, how often does that happen or like the people you meet? 

Catherine: Luckily I feel like I've curated a certain bubble around me. 'Cause I'm not super, I don't seem approachable to most people. I seem intimidating. And I do that on purpose because it's especially when I'm working and I look like I'm just a regular club goers, I don't want people to hit on me. I don't want people to be like hey, hey. So I do create both a physical and like a appearance wise, like bubble around me so people know don't approach, don't approach.

Catherine: Sometimes I'll have a physical wall of like six feet tall, K-Town guys just around me, just so nobody else will approach me. 'cause I'm like, I'm feeding 'em shots. They'll do whatever I tell 'em to do and they're like, yeah, sure, whatever you want. 

J.R.: You're working, you're like creating the vibes, right? You don't have time for people to bother you. 

Catherine: Yeah. Yeah. And or sometimes especially when guys get really drunk and you see them be very aggressive towards a girl, like when they're coming onto her. [00:12:00] I saw that happen right in front of my eyes at the bar area, and he was like looming over.

Catherine: She's like 5 2, 5 3. He's six two looming over her. Like coming towards her. She's like backing up and they're like these guys around us who are also really tall. I see that they're not doing anything about it. I had to come in like hand on his chest, push him away and be like, Hey, yo, back the fuck off.

Catherine: And then I like physically 'cause he's drunk. So I physically took him, turned him around and just moved him away and he just started walking that direction. I'm like, okay. Now I gotta comfort like a crying girl. But that's generally what I do like it's on the smaller scale. Yeah. Not like a I'm DJing and I gotta keep the whole vibe going.

J.R.: Right. Of course. Like just in your space. Yeah. I wanna ask two different pathways, right? Mm-hmm. First is mm-hmm. As someone who is a specialist in the nightlife scene and experts if there is someone who wants to get into this space, and let's say they are like a [00:13:00] younger woman and they're like, oh, I think I wanna try out nightlife and hosting or bartending or whatever, do you have any pieces of advice that you would give to that person?

Catherine: I would say that it's really hard to do if you're an introvert 'cause there's a lot of learned skills that you just. Need to incorporate to be able to do your job well. That's why most promoters are very like, eccentric and they're very extroverted because they like talking to people. They like having making new connections, new friends, stuff like that.

Catherine: And like I, if I see somebody that looks approachable and they look interesting or some sort, I'm like, I always think somebody has a story to tell. I will directly approach them and introduce myself and say Hey, what's up? Because I don't mind doing that. But as an introvert and you wanna get to nightlife, it's very much just what can you do?

Catherine: What can you do? Are you a really good dj? 'Cause if so, you still need to know how to read the room. You still need to know how [00:14:00] to network. That's the biggest part of nightlife is networking. And the second biggest part is handling your alcohol because you are. In nightlife, there's alcohol everywhere.

Catherine: It's offered to you left and right as an employee. And you gotta be one. Either know how to handle it or know how to say no. Especially when you're on the job, you cannot get messy, you cannot get drunk. Luckily when I am on the job, I haven't gotten messy or drunk and knock on wood, let's keep it that way.

Catherine: It just comes naturally to a lot of people, but it is good to know how to properly network in a situation that's not professional like nightlife. 

J.R.: Okay. So you mentioned networking. Are there any other specific metrics that make you a successful promoter?

Catherine: I'll be honest, it's 'cause I'm pretty. Pretty privilege has gotten me this far in life because people see me and they hand things to me. I got my job handed to me because I was [00:15:00] pretty, and I was nice and I was approachable in that moment. And so I'm not saying that you need to look a certain way to be able to work in nightlife or be a nightlife, but you do need to know how to handle yourself and look like somebody who wants to party and knows how to party. I have shown up in drabby clothing, but because I genuinely enjoy the music. Like I love hip hop, I love r and b and that's usually why I go to the club. I'm still having a blast.

Catherine: I'm still having a vibe. I have a drink in my hand, and that's what people appreciate. So I would say because of my general demeanor, I am a stereotypically pretty girl who people would want to approach. It draws a lot of people in, and fortunately for me, that is good business. 

J.R.: Okay. So the metrics for being a good promoter is basically how well you bring in people and I guess give them a good experience or help create a good environment for them to have a good experience, right?

Catherine: Yeah. So I would like, like there are people who are like it's all [00:16:00] about using your brains, your skills or whatever. But I do think that there are some people who do need to acknowledge that their looks have gotten them very far without having to do much. And for me that was a lot of that. My looks got me through a lot of doors, but I think it was something that fell very naturally to me. I do work hard, but it's not like clawing my way and it's like a big struggle. Like I'm having a blast to be honest.

J.R.: And I'm sure part of that is like what you mentioned, you feel at home in that environment and it mm-hmm. It's like a natural place for you to thrive and you feel good. So I'm sure that naturally lends to you being a good promoter and setting the vibes.

J.R.: So the other side I wanted to go to was, maybe this isn't also a good question, but now speaking to the guys. 

Catherine: Mm-hmm. 

J.R.: Hmm.

J.R.: How do I, how do I approach this? I the very rudimentary question is if you're giving advice to guys on how to successfully, I don't wanna say approach girls in the club. 'cause again, maybe that's not the point, but I'm sure there are a lot of guys who might be thinking. Mm-hmm. Okay. I go to the [00:17:00] club, I obviously want to meet girls.

J.R.: And as someone who is an expert in the scene, you know? Yes. The dos and don'ts of that. Yes. So do you have any advice for the fellows who are trying to be successful picking up girls in the club? 

Catherine: Yes. Number one smell good. Don't drop, don't like douse cologne all over yourself.

Catherine: But girls can tell when you're not wearing deodorant. That's a big one. And depending on which club you're at, be very presentable. If you're at like somewhere a little bit more high end, a little bit harder to get in, act like act and dress like you're supposed to be there. Don't be messy, don't look frumpy.

Catherine: And if you're in a space that's a lot more like party like and hip hop and like then dress more cool, put more effort into the way that you look. 'cause like girls do pick that up and not only the girls but their friends. Pick that up. So you don't only need like the girls, like whichever girl you're approaching.

Catherine: You don't need just her approval but her friends, 'cause she could be drunk as hell. So you're gonna default to their friends. They're all looking at [00:18:00] you. And so I would say like just put a lot more effort into how you approach a girl. And if you wanna dance with her, dance with her, not on her. Too many guys would just go up to a girl behind their back and just start touching and dancing all upon them.

Catherine: That's not okay. That's not okay. That's a sneak attack. Actually. Be in front of them. Ask them if they wanna dance and if they say no, then that's okay. Move on. So I would say another thing is a lot of guys play like the numbers game. They think it's quantity over quality, but at the end of the day, if the girls see you hit on every other girl in the club, they're also gonna turn you down.

Catherine: So you might be doing quantity over quality, but that quantity is zero. Lot of things about that. I have so many opinions, so many

J.R.: no, no. I mean, I like it. Do you have any more? 

Catherine: Yes. If you're if you're a dude, don't be on an elevated [00:19:00] platform. That's such a big ick. If you're on an elevate, if you're on an elevated platform, you better be shaking.

Catherine: Can I cuss on here? 

J.R.: Go ahead. You already did. Sorry. 

Catherine: Marty. You better be out. You better be shaking ass and I'll tell people that too. If I see them like on an elevated platform, just standing there, drinking their hand, trying to go hunt for a girl. We could tell that you're doing that.

Catherine: First of all, get off. And number two, you're not gonna get off. Go shake some ass. 

J.R.: So they're there when not shaking ass. They're there to scope. 

Catherine: Saying, yeah there's a big epidemic of guys like standing on chairs and tables at the club. That should be the girl's space to dance. But instead all, you see an extra two feet in the air of just all the, these dudes not doing anything.

Catherine: And it brings, it's a bummer. It's a big bummer. 

J.R.: Kills the vibes. So kills the vibes they're on. It is they're on those to, yeah. Yeah. So it's to scope out people or are they just trying to look cool or what's the point? Because I don't, I can't imagine why would A little bit of both. 

Catherine: Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:00] A little bit of both.

Catherine: And it's it's not just like K-Town or LA or anything like that. This is like nationwide. It's like a nationwide thing. And I've seen a lot of girls complain about it where music's not good, and the DJ is playing for the dudes. And the dudes go there for the girls, but the girls are not happy.

Catherine: There's no music that they can dance to and there's no space that they can dance in. So that's all lost. That's also a big reason why I think club cultures. 

J.R.: I see. Yeah. See, I can't even imagine why I would ever find myself on a chair or an elevated platform. Again, it's just me.

J.R.: I actually go to the clubs to dance, but mm-hmm. Yes. I'm like, why would you just stay like then leave? I don't know. Then leave somewhere else, then leave. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. 

Catherine: I've kicked people out of DJ booths 'cause they weren't dancing. 

J.R.: Yeah. At least. I mean, you might as well. Yeah.

J.R.: If you're on the stage or something, you might as well dance. Okay. One other thing that you mentioned that I wanted to [00:21:00] touch on was, you said, getting lost in the glitz and glamor. Do you wanna elaborate on that? 

Catherine: Yeah. So being in nightlife it's so fun. It's partying, it's good music.

Catherine: It's meeting at lunch, it's meeting a lot of people, but it's also so much alcohol. So much drugs, like me personally, I do drink a lot, but I don't do drugs. It's not for me. I don't judge people who do for the most part. Because that's sort of just like the culture of being a nightlife. Like you're bound to know people who do things.

Catherine: You're bound to know people who sell things. And those two vices are very accessible. They're extremely accessible. And it's so easy to, it's not even peer pressure 'cause nobody's saying, oh my God, no, you should totally do it. No, go ahead. Go ahead. There's nobody saying that to be honest, because you say, oh, no, thank you.

Catherine: They're gonna back off. But I think for the most part, if you don't have a strong [00:22:00] sense of boundary or a sense of self, there's a lot of people I know who don't know how to say no. They fall into that. But again it's very much a lifestyle choice. It's a very hard, like drugs, especially nicotine, smoking, vaping, those are all extremely hard things to let go of.

Catherine: Especially if you're already in the scene and you're at an after party and people are doing cocaine, you're like, ah, well, I mean, there's nothing left to do and everybody's doing that. And then maybe I should do it.

Catherine: Give somebody 10 minutes in like the nightlife scene somebody's gonna offer you drugs.

Catherine: It's extremely accessible. It's extremely easy. And then there's also the case of just like meeting people with influence and then all of a sudden they have influence over you. That's also a big part of it. For me, I've met a lot of influential people or just influencers in general. So both like people who are extremely well connected. And I've also met people who [00:23:00] just, you run of the mill influencers, streamers, Instagram models, stuff like that. And I've grown to be able to determine like, is this person somebody who's good for me to be around? Not on a social scale. Like obviously if you know somebody who is of like importance and influence, especially in LA then a lot of people wanna social climb.

Catherine: That's okay. That's not for me though. I know what I want, I know what I need. I know the kind of people that I wanna be around, and sometimes it is like people who are well connected and I just happen to vibe with them. But there are people who you see just fall into a cycle of social climbing.

Catherine: 'cause they think that there's might be stability in their career and their finances through like these channels, but at the end of the day, you're sacrificing a lot of yourself in the process for these people who are just [00:24:00] people with cameras at the end of the day. To be honest. 

J.R.: What I, again I don't know if I can wrap my head around that, but like mm-hmm.

J.R.: What is the, what is the end goal to social climb? Or what does that even work like? I don't know what your thoughts are on that. 

Catherine: Honestly. I do think social climbing does work, but you gotta be real hungry for whatever that is. 

J.R.: And what does that entail? 

Catherine: It entails a lot of you gotta be able to.

Catherine: Go to these parties and these events to meet all these people. Then go to the after party that can go until six in the morning, possibly do some drugs along the way, and then be at the beck and call of whoever has like the highest amount of followers. So you can maybe work under them, collaborate with them, stuff like that, and gain more traction for yourself.

J.R.: Okay. So it's just like a networking strategy, quote unquote. Mm-hmm. And if you get into those people's circle, you could have [00:25:00] opportunities to work with them or get your name out there or whatever your goal is. 

Catherine: Yeah. Okay. Like in LA you can do things. I would say that's the easy way. Social climbing is very easy to be honest. But people also sense insincerity from a mile away. So you could either approach people with sincerity and be like, Hey, I would like to get to know you, or, Hey, I would like to work with you. Or you could approach them and sincerely say, oh, I'm such a big fan. At a certain point, you gotta know how to approach certain people correctly to accurately get what you want.

Catherine: Either if you do want a social climb or you want opportunities or anything like that. People are very picky. So you gotta know the kind of person to approach. For me because I would say I'm well connected within the nightlife scene, if people just ask me like, Hey, can you introduce me to some people?

Catherine: I'm [00:26:00] like, yeah, I can. What do you need in particular? Are you a photographer and you want some, you wanna start shooting nightlife? Are you a dj? You wanna start like DJing at like these venues? I can help you with that. Or come to me sincerely you want more job opportunities, I can help you with that.

Catherine: But they're just like, oh, like I just wanna hang out with you. But turns out they wanna meet the people that I hang out. I know what they're trying to do.

J.R.: Be authentic and also try to meet the right people. It's always quantity over quality when it comes to networking. Because you can meet somebody with like 300 followers on Instagram, but their phone contacts have the craziest like influencers and celebrities and like business owners on there.

Catherine: So be nice to everybody and just try to just gauge who you want around you and who you want in your life that will actually improve it in a good way. 

J.R.: That makes sense. [00:27:00] I feel like. My thoughts on that is okay, networking, climbing, the social ladder, et cetera, that's a skill in itself. And yeah, that is an opportunity to improve your, whatever goals you're trying to hit.

J.R.: I think like what you're saying, it's very important to figure out what you want. Mm-hmm. How to approach it the right way. And that kind of like attracts like, if you're going out there with this vibe of desperation, maybe you might successfully be in that social circle with that person who also wants to desperate people around them.

J.R.: Mm-hmm. But is that really the crowd or that person you wanna be around as opposed to like you're really set on building something, being transparent, having integrity, and then going after those people and trying to join their networks and build each other up. Right. Those are different vibes, but it depends on self-awareness.

J.R.: Sort of unrelated but also sort of really related. So you mentioned hosting Hong Dae Guy, Sean Solo. You mentioned the unofficial KCON after party and then hosting him and then that whole process.

J.R.: Do you have any good stories or that process that you wanna share? 

Catherine: So luckily for me already Sean, AKA Hongdae guy, he makes all [00:28:00] these skits around the stereotype of like Korea's fuckboy. So the Hongdae guy. And he himself, I've come to find out, is actually like very introverted. He is friends with one of my friend and I reached out to my friend, I was like, Hey, can you bring Sean to the club that I work at this weekend. He was like, actually, yeah, I wanted to show him like KTown nightlife. And I was like, oh sweet. Yes, please bring him. Let me know for sure. Is there any way that can we advertise that he is somehow making a guest appearance there. I had to work with him and then there were a manager and all that. I secured a spot.

Catherine: That got super advertised last minute where people were packing up the place like the line was out the door well before the door was already opened. So 30 minutes we opened that 10. 10:30. It was already full capacity. I thought that my friend was just gonna bring Sean and that's it.

Catherine: Nobody told me [00:29:00] that Sean brought a whole crew with him. 'cause my friend and Sean are gonna be at my table. And my table's already we're chilling. Right. The club's already packed and I see like a group of 15 people roll up with Sean. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was already stressed.

Catherine: I was yelling at my boss. I was yelling at my managers, my heads, like my boss. I was yelling at everybody. At a certain point. After I got Sean settled, I brought him and my friend in first, and then everybody just gotta wait, waited out, wait for people to leave and stuff. I texted my works group chat 'cause honestly I get away with a lot. Because I'm just like, I'm low key the personality hire. I told everybody the fire alarm gets set off every once in a while because our smoke machine just did a little too much. So I texted my group chat and I said, nobody need me for the next 20 minutes, or I will set this place on fire and show you a real fire alarm.

Catherine: And I was dead serious about it too. Like one of my coworkers, he didn't [00:30:00] read the group chat and he went up to me and asked me something and I literally, this is what I looked like, 

J.R.: did you not read? 

Catherine: Don't fuck with me right now. And he was like, what? What did I do? And I just walked away. I walked away before I found like a lighter from anybody who smokes a cigarette there.

Catherine: Oh my God, that was crazy. I was so stressed at night because it was so busy. It was K con weekend and there was like another festival or like rave happening that weekend too. And so the place was just busy packed. Some of my friends from San Diego came to see me and I was like, hey guys. Hey guys. Bye guys. Bye guys. Bye guys. I was running like a headless chicken. And then eventually, I got the groove of things. Security got the groove of things. Door people. And I was like, all right. I'm good now. I have a little alcohol in my system. I calm down. I'm enjoying the music.

Catherine: Nobody's fucking touched me. I'm enjoying the music. Yeah. This is why I bring the vibes. 'cause if you leave me in charge of actual logistic things while [00:31:00] I'm in the venue. Don't. It usually doesn't work out well for me. 

J.R.: So was it mostly just because it was super packed and you had to just manage the whole situation?

Catherine: Yeah. It was super packed and Sean was the biggest guest that we have in the house who made a public appearance. And in the meanwhile, in like the backside of it, we were taking care of some K-pop idols too. So I'm like, both fronts. I'm like, fuck, nobody asked for anything right now, please.

J.R.: So is it mostly just like trying to make sure nothing goes wrong and making sure everything is running smoothly and all that?

Catherine: Yeah, because unfortunately, it is one of those situations where I will be prioritizing this person 'cause they have more money and more influence than you.

Catherine: Sorry. That's my guest. That is my guest. I will be taking care of them. Everybody else you need to wait in line. Full capacity. We are done. We're good. 

J.R.: I would imagine too, obviously you wanna take care of [00:32:00] those sort of VIP clients because you want them to have a good experience.

J.R.: Mm-hmm. And you don't want them to tell other people and be like, no, that club is really trash. They don't take care of themselves. 

Catherine: Yeah. Like, they're very like, unprofessional. Like they don't take care of us. Yeah. 

J.R.: That makes a lot of sense. What is Sean like? I mean I only see these videos, obviously. Maybe most people have. 

Catherine: He's so quiet. Yeah. What he, but he is, he's very nice. Like he knows that people are there to see him. Unfortunately people are just, there are some people I saw online that were like, oh my God, this is the hong dae guy. Apparently he makes funny videos online. I took a photo with him. Like, okay, you don't really want a photo with him that you don't know who this guy is. Walk away. Because there's plenty of people who know who he is. They actually are a fan of him. They like him, they like his work. And he took a photo with everybody that asked him, and that's nice. Everybody asked him for a photo. He's super nice. He is very chill. Like the leather jacket isn't on, you know? Mm-hmm. He's very chill. He is very quiet. A little nonchalant. Mildly afraid, I would say, of the situation. 

J.R.: I bet. Yeah. 

Catherine: [00:33:00] Yeah. 

J.R.: I don't really know his story, but is he like from Korea? 

Catherine: He is from Korea, yeah. But I'm not too sure if he's lived in America, but I know he is fluent in like English and he has like a grasp of American culture.

Catherine: I'm not too sure if I think he moved to Korea, but don't quote me on that. Like I really don't know. 

J.R.: Right, right. Yeah. No, yeah. I only ask 'cause I'm also wondering as well. 'cause seems like his accent or when he's speaking in like that sort of American, it's okay, sounds good.

J.R.: Maybe he's, maybe he just moved there or something like that. Yeah. Or maybe he's from Korea or he's, like you said, maybe he lived abroad or something. I was just curious if you knew.

Catherine: Unfortunately, I didn't get to talk to him much. I was basically scheduling him and like working with him through a a messenger essentially.

J.R.: Right. That makes sense. Okay. Anything else on that topic of, otherwise I wanna switch to dating? That's another hot topic. 

Catherine: Yeah. Let's move on to that. 

J.R.: Sweet. Okay. So how is how is your dating life? I guess we can start with that if you wanna share. 

Catherine: Well, I feel [00:34:00] like at this point I'm trying to just like level up on who I can bag. 'Cause I feel I, I was at the point where I was in a relationship for like five years. I was a monogamous girly, like serial monogamist. Long term relationships after long-term relationships. And then at some point I'm like, okay, let me explore something new.

Catherine: And now I am dating just to date. I'm not even looking to marry anybody and get to anything serious. So I decided, okay, let me hop on hinge, see what is up. And for a while nothing was up. I was a little jaded, I'm not gonna lie. And then like good compatible people started popping up.

Catherine: I went on a couple dates here and there and they were all right. But I would say it would be a lot more rough for people who aren't as avid in this kind of like socialization when it comes to dating. I feel like going on dates, flirting and all that stuff is very second nature [00:35:00] to me.

Catherine: But I will definitely have friends who are like, I don't even know how to make a profile. Think of my profile frightens me. And I'm like, okay, gimme your phone. Let me do it for you. Or they're like, what do I say? What do I say? What do I say? I'm like say this. And they're like, you are a genius.

Catherine: Because I think working at nightlife, I've gotten so used to like flirting with people, I'm not gonna lie. I also have just a very flirty personality in general. I like to tease people. And that translates very well when it comes to meeting new people, dating whatever.

Catherine: And I feel like there has been a little bit of an epidemic of like quick rejections. Like you're looking to find something wrong with a person who does seemingly have everything correct? They say one thing that's like mildly off and immediately it's almost like a self-sabotage.

Catherine: Like everything is going correct, you are looking for something to go wrong. And if it's not going wrong, then you're gonna make something go wrong. And I do think that I would say like recently, [00:36:00] like dating is harder than it has been even like 10, 15 years ago because of the online dating space.

Catherine: Everybody wants to just swipe swipe, see who they match with, see who likes them back. And then that's about it. Nobody typically engages anymore because there's such a huge either like option fatigue, which is what I have. Not to toot my own horn 'cause I have so many options. Or there's no option at all because your profile will show up for less than one second, and people have already determined how they feel about you.

J.R.: Two things from that then. Thoughts on dating apps versus meeting someone in person, especially someone like yourself who has a huge network and you're out there a lot. And so you meet a lot of people, I'm sure. Yeah. And, but you mentioned specifically you're also on dating apps, so that dating apps versus in person. But then also, if you have a lot of options, what is your current intention or strategy with dating at the moment?

Catherine: So for the first question, I would say I [00:37:00] definitely rather just meet somebody randomly and get to know them and then determine if I wanna go on a date with them. Because at least at that point you already generally know their vibes. You know how they talk, you know how they are with people, especially you.

Catherine: So I've got on dates with people that I've met in nightlife or just like in my everyday life that I just come across. They'll ask me on a date, I'm like, you know what? Yeah. And I'll have a good time. Whereas meeting someone for the first time on a date is scary. It's scary. Especially as a woman, scary.

Catherine: Like sometimes I'm like, Ooh, I want them to pick me up. But that I would have no personal form of transportation in case things go wrong or anything like that. Or oh my God, I'm gonna give this person my address so they know where I live. There's a huge risk factor in that, but. If you are not in any environment where it allows you to meet new people, it is very [00:38:00] hard sometimes, like you do need to resort to online dating. And through that you do need to make more effort to get to know people.

Catherine: That's why I'm not personally into sharing my Instagram because I don't think everybody, especially strangers on the internet, should know me. My personal dailies like that. I just, text 'em on the app, yada yada. How's your day? And if they reciprocate with that kind of energy, then that's good. But for the follow up question. 

J.R.: Your personal intention or dating space. What are you looking for? What are you trying to do? 

Catherine: Yeah, I think right now when it comes to what I'm looking for, what I'm trying to do when it comes to my romantic life. This is a personal challenge for me at this point. I just wanna see who's the best catch for me. I almost went on a date with a minor celebrity recently and I was like, you know this is pretty easy. I'm not gonna lie, so let's aim even higher. I feel like I've had a long history of aiming [00:39:00] very low in dating. Like people who don't treat me well, I'm like, Hey, maybe I should date people who are more in my caliber and or higher.

J.R.: I want to go into now your second specialty, which is crafting dating profiles. Do you have any tips for us then if you're helping your friends to, you know, okay. To improve their game? 

Catherine: Yes. My, okay, so my specialty is hinge profile specifically. If anybody who's reading this and they have a hinge profile, you're wondering why you're not getting enough likes and or matches. Don't include photos with other people. I feel like that should be the number one rule whenever I'm swiping through Hinge and I see it like, like a group photo.

Catherine: I don't wanna be guessing which one you are, especially when it's the first photo. I don't wanna be guessing which one you are. I'm swiping immediately. 'Cause like most of the time. It's the worst looking person in the photo. Do you wanna be the worst looking person in a photo? 'Cause that's what people will think of you. Imagine like, oh, I hope this is the cute one on the right. No, and it's not. [00:40:00] Do you want people's reaction of you to be like that? I think that's sad. To prevent that, only include solo photos of yourself.

J.R.: So I don't know if this advice would be specifically for guys or girls, but let's say this person is not just traditionally attractive uhhuh. What are some things people can do to spice up their dating profile? 

Catherine: Be earnest. Be earnest. There are profiles with no information about themselves at all.

Catherine: Ha I don't even know like, where your hometown is. I don't know what your political affiliation is. I don't know what you're into and if I'm already not physically attracted to you. You also seem like you have a bland personality because I don't know anything else about you that I would want to start a conversation with.

Catherine: If you are a guy. You're into girls. Let me tell you this. [00:41:00] Girls like yearners. One of my favorite pickup lines, and I've responded to this guy, even though I wasn't really that attracted to him. I wanted to have a conversation. He said, you look like the type of girl that I would build a house for.

Catherine: I'm gonna respond to that. Build a house. I've heard a lot of pickup lines that I have never heard of before, and I think that's really funny. So like, when you peak my interest like that, I'm like, okay, what's up? 

J.R.: Do you have any other examples of good ones that worked? 

Catherine: Please, please, please, please, please, please. That really, do you have a 50 50 shot of that working? Yeah. Yeah. 

J.R.: Those are not bad odds. Anything else? 

Catherine: Somebody once said, I don't remember exactly what they said, like word for word. They're not usually my type, but because of their message and how earnest they were. Going on a dating app for girls already feels horrible enough 'cause it feels like you are an option for somebody else and nobody wants to feel like an option. So if you approach somebody, especially somebody you very much [00:42:00] find attractive and you want to get to know them or go on a date with 'em or whatever. Literally give them the world. Beg for them, yearn for them. Say that you will give them everything they want. You can have a good chance. Good shot. 

J.R.: Gotcha. So make them feel like they're the only girl on the app. 

Catherine: Yeah. 

J.R.: Okay. Mm-hmm. I guess that makes sense. Mm-hmm. 

Catherine: There's too many nonchalant people out there. 

J.R.: That checks out too. 'Cause if you're nonchalant, it's gonna be a lose lose anyways. 

Catherine: Mm-hmm. 

J.R.: So I wanna ask, now that you are on the date, first date, maybe second or third. Pro tips? Guys or girls? Anything come to mind? 

Catherine: Mm-hmm. Don't lie about your height. I went on a date with this guy who said that he was five six. Why were we eye level? 

J.R.: So what, what was, what's the high difference? 

Catherine: I dunno. But he was shorter than five six. So I'm five two. I, and I don't mind going on a date. I've dated like five four. It doesn't matter to me. But what mattered was like the guy off the bat was already lying. He lied. Yeah. About something. If you're lying about your height, what else are you gonna lie about? [00:43:00] What else about you that you're misleading me about? So that was a little odd for me. But overall if you're a guy, be a gentleman.

Catherine: And if you're a girl, be active with conversing with people. There are plenty of people who just go on a date for the free meal and listen, much love to you guys. But if you wanna be considered a good date for somebody, be engaging, hold good conversations, go a little bit beyond small talk. But if it's like the first date, obviously you're still getting to know them.

Catherine: I do think that after COVID, there's plenty of people out there who just don't know how to socialize with new people, unfortunately. Brush up on your social skills, learn how to converse with people regularly.

Catherine: I have been on a date with a guy who just very much showed me that he didn't care about the date. This was like a fully an afterthought for him. He asked me how tall I was, how old I was, where I lived, what I do [00:44:00] for work and all that. I'm like, this was all information readily available on my profile. He is like, oh yeah, I didn't read it. Huh? Why would you tell me that? You don't care about me, so why should I care about this right now?

J.R.: Okay. Now, specific question. Any tactical things mm-hmm. That from an attractive woman like yourself, if a guy is trying to have a good date, any specific things that he should do, or strategies or things he should look out for?

Catherine: Bring flowers. Too many guys stop buying flowers. She's not gonna ask for flowers. Get her flowers. Every girl appreciates flowers. End of story. Especially on a first date. If you're really into them like that, get the flowers. If you back a second date, for sure get them flowers. Oh my god. Open the door for them, pull out their chair, things like that. Pull out the table if you have to. 

J.R.: Okay. Out of the, all the dates you've ever been on, how many guys have brought you [00:45:00] flowers? I'm curious, like what is the ratio, what's the conversion?

Catherine: Less than half, maybe like a percentage. I don't know. Less than half. Half. Half? Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's actually more than I was thinking. I was like is it like a 10% sort of thing? But Okay. Okay. I don't go on that many dates, but if I do, it would've been 10%. 

J.R.: Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Be gentlemen, pull out chairs, doors, flowers. Anything else? 

Catherine: Just be honestly like anything that would be stereotypically considered chivalrous. Do that. Because for most girls, chivalry is dead. When a guy opens my car door, I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God, this is crazy. I did date a guy who's a true gentleman, and he got me flowers, he did all the right stuff, and I'm like, I am swept away. And he's like, why? This is the bare minimum. I'm like, I know it's the bare minimum. People are still not doing the bare minimum nowadays, unfortunately. I think either people don't care, they're too [00:46:00] nonchalant or they just weren't raised right. 

J.R.: And I think that's a good thing because the bar is so low that it doesn't really take much effort. Right. To like mm-hmm. Just stand out if that's what you really want. Yeah.

J.R.: I think even if it's a little bit of a stretch to go all out. Mm-hmm. I think making a good impression at the beginning is always better, because if you make a bad impression, it can only go downhill from there because theoretically only, yeah. When you first meet someone that's like the best it'll ever be, right? So why would you start off bad and then no one's gonna expect you to get better from there, right? Yeah. So why would you not put your best foot forward? 

Catherine: Like you should be able to put your best foot forward, get the best first impression, because you only get one first impression.

J.R.: Exactly. Yeah. 

Catherine: Yeah. The guy who said he didn't read anything on my profile and he didn't dress up for the date nothing like that. He doubled back and he sent me like again on hinge like six, seven months later. And I was like, hell the fuck no. No.

J.R.: You already blew it, man. What's going on? 

Catherine: You already blew it. You already blew it. [00:47:00] Oh my God. Even, okay. He picked me up. Dropped me off. But when he dropped me off, he drove away before I even got to the front door. That was crazy to me. 

J.R.: It's giving you show up to a job interview not dressed up, not prepared. Mm-hmm. It was like, why if you really wanted this job, wouldn't you put the effort into it? 

Catherine: Yeah. Yeah. So I was very jaded after that. That was when I was like, okay, is this what I'm worth? Do I deserve to be treated like this? 'cause people are treating me like this? And it made me like really try to self-reflect to the point where I was like, no, I don't deserve this.

Catherine: So I gotta be so selective with like who I want around me. And that just goes for everything across the board. 

J.R.: Yeah, definitely. Okay. I think that's all I have for dating. Did we miss anything you wanted to touch on? 

Catherine: Not much. Not much. Is there anything you wanna touch on as somebody who's been in a relationship for how long?

J.R.: Six years, [00:48:00] almost 

Catherine: six years Almost nothing that I 

J.R.: wanna touch on. Yeah. I mean, if you guys get to, if you guys get to almost six years, I'm sure you're doing something right. Mm-hmm. Because it's hard to maintain relationship that long. But I don't know. I would say I, maybe just my quick TLDR, like if you really want to have a long-term relationship for the audience is you have to be really intentional with growing. It's like if you don't fight for what you want, what you don't want always wins in life. And so you have to mm-hmm be proactive with everything. And so I think yes, with your career, your health, your finances, your relationships, everything. So I think like you have to make it a priority.

J.R.: The only reason why you think the grass is greener on the other side is 'cause you're not watering your own grass. Mm-hmm. And I know that's just basic level, but I think that's something people should reflect on, is your relationship will be as good as the effort you put into it. But yeah, that's just my big philosophy. 

Catherine: Yeah. I know. I really do agree with you that I've said this once with somebody that I was in a relationship with. But we fought [00:49:00] so often. And it's yes, I do love you and I can't help that I feel so much towards you, but I'm not happy.

Catherine: And I think that love is a choice that a person has to make every single day. And to make that choice, it's you gotta resolve the conflicts. You gotta choose to do the right thing and choose to love them and embrace them and do better both of you. 'cause he was very much it's so natural for couples to fight and argue.

Catherine: And I'm like, this is not natural and it shouldn't be normalized. 'cause I came from other relationships where it was very easy. But to choose to stay in a relationship and continue to love this guy was so hard to the point where I didn't even wanna talk to my friends about it.

Catherine: 'cause I'm like, I know I sound stupid. I know I sound dumb. And eventually one day I chose to love myself instead of that person. And I've just been on that healing journey ever since. And it's fucking hard [00:50:00] hard journey to be on. A lot of these things are like advice I would give to my friends.

Catherine: 'cause when you see your friends and you're like it sucks that you're going through all these things, like these are the advice I would give you. But once you're actually in that situation, you're like I don't wanna be a hypocrite. I sort of am.

J.R.: Yeah. It's always different when it's subjective. It's easier to give advice objectively, but subjectively I know what I'm supposed to do, but this is hard. 

Catherine: Yeah. Dating's weird. Having a love life is weird. Having a life is weird. 

J.R.: Yeah. Yeah. No, you're not wrong. Two things that reminded me of while you were talking was the first thing is.

J.R.: In my opinion, the most important thing when you're in a relationship is learning how to get through the tough times. Because mm-hmm a lot of younger people and young couples think that love is like the feeling, and once the feeling's gone, then the relationship's over. That's not actually true. But it's how do you handle the tough times when you guys are going through that rocky point? Because that's what the whole relationship is. Anyone can be in a relationship when you're [00:51:00] both happy, right? Yeah. But can you be in a relationship when it sucks and when you're both emotionally drained and Yeah the whole world is ganging up on you. I would say don't be scared of having arguments and having conflicts, that's not the point. For me, looking back, if I give my younger self advice is be excited to get to that point so that you can now work on it together. 'Cause once you get through that, then you can show that you can get through tough times. That's the most important thing. 

Catherine: Yeah. 

J.R.: And yeah, the second thing is have you ever heard of like the honeymoon phase of mm-hmm. Like how long it lasts? There's this study about the honeymoon phase lasts about two years, give or take obviously per person.

J.R.: Yeah. But so I also tell younger people when they're in relationships or getting into new ones, it's yeah, you have all these feelings of hormones and cocaine in your brain about love about this other person, but eventually that will go away. And that's just normal. But I get excited to get to that point.

J.R.: So I know that after the cocaine wears off, then that's the real test of if you love that person, because now it's a choice, like you were saying. It's not just a feeling. And so it's like [00:52:00] one, get to the point where you guys can get through conflict and then you realize proof of concept, you guys work well together.

J.R.: And then two, get past the honeymoon phase. 'cause yeah, enjoy it. Right? Everyone loves that feeling of love, but mm-hmm The real relationship starts after the honeymoon phase is done and then that's where you can figure out if you're really meant for long term. 

Catherine: Yeah. 

J.R.: And if you have thoughts on that, 

Catherine: no thoughts on that at all.

Catherine: Honestly, I, most of my relationships and during the honeymoon phase there was like, I would say like one that like surpassed that, that was like the five year relationship. And for the most part it was like, it was just chill. It was just chilled, like the whole relationship was chilled. The honeymoon place was super fun.

Catherine: But then at a certain point he stopped like putting in effort, I would say like around three years in. Not just for our relationship before himself. And that was when I started to feel like stagnant. Where's the chemistry that we used to have? Where's like the spark and all that? Once you start dating a person, you gotta [00:53:00] act like you're starting to date them every single time.

Catherine: 'cause it's yeah, like sometimes, like being more chill, being more relaxed in a stable long term relationship is good. But you also gotta keep the spark alive and actively choose to show them how you love them every single day or like every single time.

J.R.: Of course. And it's both ways too, right? Like I think mm-hmm. Both sides have to be on the same page. I think the hardest part is, I'm kind of pulling this outta my ass, but I feel like one of the hardest parts of being in a relationship is when you feel like you're not on the same page and one person obviously feels more attached to the relationship than the other, at what point do you say, Hey, it's time to split, or should we keep this going?

J.R.: Because I had a relationship where it seemed, it was actually very obvious. I was the one holding it together. Mm-hmm. And, and it was already sunk cost fallacy. Like I'm already, this was a ship, but we were five and a half years in and it seemed like I was the only one who wanted to keep it going.

J.R.: And so I'm like. So if I came to the [00:54:00] realization eventually that if the person I'm with doesn't wanna be with me, there's no point in staying. And so that's a lesson I've now internalized, but at that moment I'm like, but we love each other. We've been together for so long and sunk cost fallacy, all that stuff.

J.R.: So it's I know that's hard for people, but sometimes you do have to make that call for yourself or talk to that. Mm-hmm. Have that difficult conversation. 'cause you're probably avoiding it. 

Catherine: I was straight up. I addressed it like plainly. I was like, Hey, I feel like I've been putting more effort into this relationship.

Catherine: I feel like you're not putting effort in at all. I don't feel cared for by you. I don't feel loved by you. Like all these things. And I feel like I'm a very fair person. I brought up my issues with them about that, and I gave them like six months to get their shit together and prove to me that there are, they are valuing me and wanna make this situation better. And when the time was up and I didn't feel the difference, in fact I felt like it got worse. I was like, well, we're done. I feel like I [00:55:00] was being very fair and I gave them half a year to change, which is way more than most people would do. And I gave myself a timeline for that too. 'Cause you know how girls are like, once they're done with a relationship, they're checked out, they're done way before the relationship actually ended. So I was done way before the relationship actually ended. And that's how we split. But we're still on very good terms right now. We just, were like, Hey, we're done. That's it.

J.R.: Yeah. I love that. I guess my last thought on this topic before we kind of wind to a close is I think in all relationships, and especially like I'm a relationship coach by training and so I kind of do this as well. But I think for everyone to really take away from this is I think a high quality life and relationship with anyone, friends, family, romantic and whatever.

J.R.: I feel like the next level is always beyond or past a difficult conversation. I find that what holds people back in all sorts of relationships is that they always try to avoid that difficult conversation, and I think [00:56:00] it's understandably, full transparency and compassion. I get it. Hard conversations.

J.R.: We all wanna just run away from them. Mm-hmm. But if you feel stuck, there's likely a hard conversation you're avoiding. And I guess I implore whoever this resonates with to have that conversation because that's what's really going to get you unstuck, especially if you're feeling that way. 

Catherine: Yeah. Yeah, I always say the only way out of a storm is through it. Sometimes you gotta just address it, confront it, and let the chips fall where they may. 

J.R.: Yeah. And don't be too scared of losing something, losing someone. I mean all unhappiness is tied to attachment anyways and nothing is permanent.

J.R.: So, you know, if you wanna get super metaphorical. Yeah, I know it sucks, but I think if you're unhappy, you're probably too attached to something. I think that's my takeaway.

J.R.: Alright, Cat, anything else on that or any other topics before we wind to a close?

Catherine: I'm good. Thanks for having [00:57:00] me. I always enjoy talking you. Yeah. 

J.R.: Thanks for being you. Same. Same. It's always nice to catch up.

J.R.: All right, so Cat, where can people find you if they wanna check out what you're up to or, connect or anything like that?

Catherine: You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Pink Seller, P-I-N-K-S-T-E-L-L-A-I-R-E. I post about the stupid stuff that I'm usually up to. My thoughts and feelings about anything under the sun. Don't get me started on anything 'cause I'm gonna keep going on it. If you watch this podcast at the end, you get a general idea of what my personality is like. And I hope you guys stay for the ride. 

J.R.: Nice. I love it. Yeah, highly commend, follow cat. Her content makes my feed a lot more fun and entertaining.

J.R.: I'll do my final sign off. So thank you again, Cat, for being here. I really appreciate it. And then to the audience, thank you guys for being here. Thanks for listening, watching be sure to like, follow, subscribe, all the other stuff. Follow Cat leave us. Love in the comments. Leave Kat love in the comments.

J.R.: She's a great guest and always entertaining to listen to and insightful as well. And [00:58:00] reminder to always be kind to other people, especially yourself. And remember that you can always learn something from someone if you take the time to listen. So thank you guys for being here.