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J.R.: Hello everyone and welcome back to another fun episode of One Thousand Gurus with me, your host, J.R. Yonocruz. 

Today's episode features Jane Oh. Jane was born and raised in California and now lives in Denver, Colorado.

She has spent the last 10 years in marketing in various fields, and over time her focus has shifted towards holistic health and wellness, and she's now in the process of fully transitioning her career into nursing. She's also a certified yoga instructor and health coach, and previously ran an online coaching practice called Well with Jane.

So Jane is another fantastic former colleague, turn friend. She's a fellow April baby and she's a fellow workout and personal development enthusiast. I've always respected Jane as a coworker, she even introduced me to my first circuit training gym back in the day.

Early in my career, Jane was the only person I knew who did double workouts. And we kind of get into that a bit in the conversation. We of course, reminisce about our days working at our old law firm and how cutthroat it was. And we get into her journey from marketing to yoga to holistic health and how going back to school for [00:01:00] nursing.

It was such a joy to connect with Jane after all these years. I learned a ton and her journey is nothing short of inspiring for me personally. So that further ado. Hope you guys enjoy this fun episode with Jane Oh.

 Hello and welcome back to One Thousand Gurus. Please welcome my guest, Jane, 

Jane: into applause. Hi 

J.R.: Jane. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. Happy early Thanksgiving. 

Jane: Yeah. 

J.R.: So for the audience, this is Wednesday, right before Thanksgiving. We're recording this. Yeah, we're just kind of catching up off screen or off camera before we started recording.

So let me go into how, I know you, the audience already has an idea of your background based on your bio. So Jane and I used to work at Bergener Mirejovsky Law Firm back in, I wanna say 2015. 2016 ish around there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong for any of these things. And so you used to work in the marketing side and I was in liens and [00:02:00] negotiations and we also used to work with Clark and Ali who were also on the show.

You know, shout out to them. And then you moved to Colorado, you mentioned 2021. And I've also been kind of following your career journey in the health and wellness space and yoga and, 'cause we're connected on social media. Yeah. And so now we're here. Yeah. So anything, any clarifications or what else are you up to?

Jane: No, that's really in a nutshell really how my life has been. Just like the milestone timelines. Yeah. It started law firm, health and wellness and then Denver and Yeah, those are that's what's been happening. 

J.R.: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I ever asked this, but how did you get into the law firm?

Like how did you find that job and what were you doing before then? 

Jane: Yeah, so I was working at Forever 21 headquarters office. That was like, that's right. Yeah. That was my first out of college job. And I ended up getting fired from that job which. [00:03:00] Hilarious. 'cause I feel like they're a huge conglomerate.

And it was such a weird it was like a whole team, like my boss also got fired at the same time. But yeah, at that time I, like right out of college I wanted, I, I had no I didn't really know what I was planning on doing, but I did graduate with a degree in business management in econ. So I knew sort of wanting to go towards marketing. So once I got fired from Forever 21, and that was like, I think I was 21, 22, I don't know. I was looking around, so I had a couple different jobs in between. And then I actually found the job posting for Bergener Mirejovsky on a Craigslist ad. And at the time I was also interviewing for it was an airline company.

I can't remember. I think it was like either United or Alaskan Airline. 

J.R.: Mm-hmm. 

Jane: And ironically both of those interviews were supposed to [00:04:00] be in Orange County 'cause I was gonna get interviewed at the John Wayne Airport, like they're based there. And the law firm also was based out of Orange County, so I kind of, at the time I was living, I think I was living in Diamond Bar.

So it was like a 40 minute commute. And I was like, okay, well I went from LA to Diamond Bar and then I was like, well, I don't wanna live in Diamond Bar. And so I eventually was running through the two interviews and then the airline company essentially botched the interview. They never gave me an interview time or date.

They were like, we'll send you a confirmation email. And that was the same day that I was having the interview at the law firm. 

J.R.: Hmm. 

Jane: So I was like, kind of like double stacking. I was like, if I'm gonna be out there, then I'm gonna just try to get two interviews out of the way. And they never got back to me.

And so I ended up just going to the interview at the law firm. And I went originally for a case manager position. [00:05:00] I knew that wasn't something that I wanted to do, but I was still interested. But on the job description it said if your skillset fit a different position, we are a growing company.

So I was like, perfect. So I, I was going through the interview and I went home after that first like case manager interview and I walked out of it. I was like I don't know if that is anything that like, would interest me. But as soon as I got home, I got a call from our HR director at the time and she said, I don't think you're meant for the case manager role, but we have a role in marketing and I think your resume aligns better with the marketing position.

And so she's like, do you mind coming out for another interview for the marketing position and meeting with our marketing director? That's kind of how it started. And then the marketing team was very small. And it was definitely at the time the firm was still really tiny. Like, I don't know if you remember the name game [00:06:00] 

J.R.: Yes.

Of Oh, the, the good old hazing name game. Yeah. I was about to ask like what si what size, like how big was the company when you were, when you joined? 

Jane: So it was, I think at that time it was, I think only like 10 people. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was really only 'cause the teams were like 3, 3, 3, right, right.

At that time, we didn't really have many teams. Once, I think by the second year, was when we had that massive growth. But, for, so any new hire that started at the company on the Monday morning meeting, you had to play this horrible game where everyone says their name once and then you have to go through and try to remember everyone's name.

When I started, I don't know if you had to do that, 'cause I think you were already working there.

J.R.: Did you wait, did you start after me or bef I thought you started before me. 

Jane: Was it? I can't remember. [00:07:00] 

J.R.: I, I'm sure we were around the same time. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no, I definitely did the name game.

Jane: Yeah. And it wasn't difficult 'cause there weren't as many people. But by the time we grew to like 20, like 25 people, I would feel so bad. And it was like the worst, like sitting there watching people like botch names. And you're just like, oh my gosh, this is, I feel so bad for you. I'm so sorry that you have to do this.

And then we're, we all just have to stand there and watch the, it was the worst.

It was so bad. And then that, to have an embarrassing story. 

So that's how we got into marketing. 

J.R.: Okay. So yeah, I love that. I'll add a few things on top of that. So I think, I think when I joined it was around the 20 ish, maybe low 20 or maybe high, yeah. Teens sort of number. And yeah, so [00:08:00] when we were there, it was a lot le it was more doable with around 20 or less.

But by the time when I was coming to the end of, of working there, it was like 30, 40, 50 people, almost like literally the new conference room. Like we would wrap around all over it and then like even outside or we had to move or something like that. So every time there's a new person or the Monday morning meetings, it was always so hectic.

And then people would give like, hi, would we give hints? We would, we would say our names and then say something. And then as we go around, like Sam or James would kind of like be like, oh yeah, this person. And then give him a hints. And this person's like struggling. And then you get to the end and it's like, all right, well what's our names?

Like Sam and James. And then we all look and hold our breath. Like, please remember Sam and James name. 

Jane: And there are people who forgot. Yeah. And then they're like, oh. 

J.R.: Oh, I 

Jane: was like, this is so bad. I felt like, I was like, what a great way to start, like right first day on the job. And it was like, I was like, God, you missed the boss of names was [00:09:00] mortifying.

J.R.: Yeah. That's so funny. Was do you have a, do you have a story or was that it the thing you wanted to bring up? I was gonna ask. 

Jane: No, there's, there's a bunch of things, but I was randomly thinking about the other day 'cause I was, I was cleaning out my cabinet full of Tupperwares and I randomly started thinking about the company lunches Yes.

That we would have. And then they would. They, it was, it was really good food. And then we would go in after to get everything packed in a couple. Just, 

J.R.: yeah. 

Jane: And then we had to, they basically told us like, we will let you know when the leftovers, when everyone has consumed food. And I was like, man, our marketing team was in there.

We were so fast. And I was like, we seem just like starving artists trying to survive. And then they started I don't know if you recall, it was, it started off with small Glad containers. So like, just like the tiny ones. [00:10:00] And then we had to upgrade to like the big ones. And I, I was pull, I was like cleaning out my cabinets or my Tupperware drawer.

And I was like finding like the bigger plastic ones that I had. And I was like, oh my gosh. I like, I totally remember just trying to like stack as much food and I was like, that fed me well. 

J.R.: So you have those Tupperware still? 

Jane: No. No. Okay. Okay. These are like the same size. Oh, okay. If I still had those Tupperwares, I, it'd be a, I think I would be traumatized. Like I, 

J.R.: No, I remember that too. Like I, 'cause I had these glass ones that I actually still have, but mm-hmm. Remember the days we're like, okay, we know we're getting lunch today. I wouldn't pack it, it would just be clean and empty and then we'd wait until afterwards and then yeah, I would just stuff it in, man.

Jane: Oh yeah. Yeah. And then like. 

Yeah. The birthdays, 'cause our birthdays are in April. Yeah. So like, we would have like our birthday photo [00:11:00] shoot. And it was, it was really the three of us, April was like a smaller month. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I remember that. But I remember marketing team had to we were in charge of that and it was like when there were bigger groups each month, like I was like, 'cause yeah, it just, it became chaotic.

'cause as the team started growing so rapidly, we were like, I don't know if we could handle like, every month gathering everyone and then having them choose like what theme they wanted for their birthday photos. 

J.R.: Ah. I was gonna say, what was, what was the protocol for the birthdays? Like what did we do?

I don't remember. I think was it just we brought, we got food and that was it? Or was there like a thing? 

Jane: Yeah, yeah. So I wanna say we did like the monthly birthday lunch, but then we had a card for every, like every time there was a birthday, like there was a rotating card. 

J.R.: Right, right. 

Jane: And I remember one time on my birthday card, someone thought it was James [00:12:00] Bergener's birthday. So everyone was writing like, happy birthday Jane.

And then someone was, you Rock James. I was like, ever like, were you the first one?

And I remember I got it and it was like right in the center, like where the card like creases and I was like. So you weren't the first one if, like, that's the spot. But you failed to read like, and like someone had put on that same card. Someone wrote my name in block letters, and so it was like stamped there.

Yeah. But I was like, maybe they like quickly saw it and then they were like, you rock James. 

I was like, oh, well. 

J.R.: Oh man. It must've been a, must've been a long day for that person. They were just like, oh, who is it? James, whatever. Yeah, yeah, 

Jane: yeah. Oh, what a place. 

J.R.: Yeah, they I might've already mentioned this, but the, I don't have a specific [00:13:00] story. But I was, I always remember the Monday morning meetings and then we would have stories, right?

Like James would ask us, like he would ask for like three to four volunteers for stories and Oh yeah, you were still there, right? Where Yeah, we would, we would get a few and then. It got to the point where I would go into the weekend looking for stories so that I could, you know, have a good story for everyone.

Right? Yeah. And then James knew that, and so he would save me for the end as anchor, like me and Joel. Yeah. And so he'd be like, all right, Marlo anchor. Yeah. And so I was like, all right, I got you. Here's my, here's my story. We had a raise at my house and I slept through it, and also for my birthday. Oh yeah.

I, my girlfriend took me to a spa. And they're like, what? So it was things like that. And then, and if not me, then Joel would also have really good stories too, or something like that. 

Jane: Yeah, I totally forgot that you guys were the anchor and I remember the story where you were like, there was a rager and I was sleeping the entire time.

J.R.: Yeah. There were multiple rages where I was sleeping and then I was tell telling them about how we had like a, a [00:14:00] bunk couch. Kind of like the Lego movie, one of the Lego movies. Okay. And okay. It was like throwing people off. I was like, no, we, we honestly have a bunk couch, but I, I, I wasn't participating in the party, I was just sleeping. 'Cause you know, I work the next day. 

Jane: Yeah. It also during those meetings it was also mortifying 'cause remember when they would just start picking people. They're like, what did you do this weekend? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember there were times where at the time, like I was young. I would always, I was always going out to LA on the weekends. And I'm like, I'm not going to share with you what I did this weekend.

And I'm like, oh no, it was, I just, you know, I just meal prepped and did stuff course. But I always remember of like saying that. And then in my head I am like replaying everything that I did that weekend. And I was like, you know, I saw a guy dancing on a table on a, with a speedo on, like, I'm just like thinking of all these random things and I'm like, oh no.

I just did chores [00:15:00] and, you know, meal prepped and cleaned the house and that's it. 

J.R.: You know, usual Jane weekend, you know, nothing, nothing crazy. 

Jane: And I'm like, that's it. And then, yeah, I like. And I'm sure everyone's experience was the same. Like, they're like just, you know, hung out and I'm like, I saw you this weekend. 

J.R.: I don't know about that 'cause I saw you.

Jane: And I'm like, you know, we'll just keep it at chores. 

J.R.: Yeah, definitely. Because it's always a, like, I am sure more people had more interesting stories. But aside from the whole Yeah, the family and I, we went camping and it was a lot of fun and we caught a fish. Right. The sort of work appropriate stories.

Yeah. I'm sure people were skirting line between that and just like, yeah, no, I didn't really do anything. Because no one wants to come to work and then have that impression. And then, you know, the, we know what the work office environment was like. Like it was pretty strict. Like it's for the audience, it's a law firm, so everyone is like suit and tie, formal wear business attire.

And so even though we would have [00:16:00] these moments, it was still mostly like very strict. So yeah, it made sense that not a lot of people wanted to like be very out there with their stories. Yeah. I don't know why I got away with it. I'm just like, yeah, no, I did like weird stuff. It wasn't anything like that I would get in trouble for.

It was just, I guess I wanted to find the storytelling elements, even if it was a boring story, just for the fun of it. But yeah, I also didn't cross that line too. Like I didn't wanna divulge everything, 

Jane: so. Yeah. Yeah. And look at you now. 

J.R.: Yeah. No, just, just saying random stuff. You know, 

Jane: You have been the anchor through and through.

J.R.: I always thought it was fun because, yeah. I don't know, it was just always a, to me it was always a challenge and it was fun that, that James kind of gave me that responsibility of like, yeah, telling the stories. I'm like, it's a Monday, you might as well make it lively and not too crazy. Yeah. But yeah, good times.

Jane: Oh yeah. Yeah. And there were people who would share, yeah. There. And I'm like, please. [00:17:00] No, please stop. Yeah, don't, that's true. True. That's true. Because we had a lot of young, like this was their very first time in like a suit and tie type of environment. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. That is very inappropriate. Don't. And I was like. 

J.R.: Yeah, yeah. I know. Like from what I heard, and this is probably hearsay, but even the especially the attorneys, I think they were told like not to go too overboard with their story because they are like the leaders in the company, right? Yeah. Like they're managing their teams.

Yeah. And so that made sense. And so I guess for people like us that were not attorneys we could probably get away with a little bit more fun stories. But Yeah. And then like you said, the younger people, like this is their first job outta college or maybe just like, you know, their first job outta high school or something.

And then we're just like, oh no, don't, oh, they said it. Yeah. Oh. We'll see how this goes. 

Jane: I used to also sit when like the marketing team was still upstairs. So it was like two floors, and then eventually the marketing team and like our intake [00:18:00] like team moved downstairs. When we were upstairs, my desk was right next to hr, and HR had their floor to ceiling, like window.

So when. When people were getting talked to, it was so awkward because I'm sitting parallel to them and I like, that was like the only window that I had. So like the light would come like through that window and I remember I would look over and then I would just like, I would be like, the mood there is not good.

Like someone's crying. Someone I remember there was like an argument like, and I was just like, I think I need to move desks. I was like, I don't think it's appropriate for me to like, and I could hear, 'cause it was like close enough and I was like, oh man, this is so awkward. So like, I would just try to. But like at the time we just had like desktops, like we had the computers that were stuck to our desk.

So like, I couldn't even do anything. I was just like. And then they would walk out and then you'd hear like, [00:19:00] okay, well, you know, thank you. And I'm just like. I don't know where to look. 

J.R.: Yeah, yeah. That's so funny because like it at the which building was it? Well, it might've been both, but my, my, once I moved into accounting, both of my desks in both buildings were always next to Sam's office.

And then, so for those that don't know, like Sam was also one of the partners, but then whenever there was like an HR or like a talking to sort of thing, they would go into Sam, usually Sam's office with the HR director. Oh yeah. 

Jane: And you just had the door, right? 

J.R.: Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, before, so the first building at the, the high-rise one?

Yeah, it was, I was like right outside the door. And so yeah, once they left the, I can see. And so all the aftermath was there. But then in the, in the newer building that was only two floors. Yeah, we were accounting department. We were still like right outside Sam's office. Yeah. So it's not like we wouldn't be privy to that.

And then also we would, I would be the ones printing the like severance checks are like, you know, the last payroll check so that they can never come back. Yeah. And I, [00:20:00] so whenever I got like a message like, oh, print this check for this amount, I was like, oh, someone's getting fired. 

Jane: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what a place.

Yeah, man, that place does give me trauma. Yeah. 

J.R.: I'm sure I get a lot of people's trauma. 

Jane: Yeah. Had a lot of great times, but

J.R.: Of course, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Like memory is learned a lot for sure. I would say that's the biggest thing that I appreciate about that work experience was very tough. I, I would tell some of my friends this. Like, it was probably the, one of the toughest work environments I've been in.

But because of that, it's like something I learned from Sam actually, which is like, smooth seas don't create good sailors. Mm-hmm. And so, yeah, it's a way to kind of desensitize you to that hectic work environment, but also taking it to heart. It did help me prepare because like, okay, if I can get through this, I can get through anything.

And then I did get through it and then it made it a lot easier. And then being in that space where it's like, okay, now you can have mastery and have a good workflow and not be stressed out constantly. Yeah. It's a good place to be 'cause you feel like you're actually growing. And then you can help other people too.

Yeah. [00:21:00] So yeah, it was fun, but tough, but yeah, and also very traumatizing for many people. 

Jane: Yeah. 

J.R.: Cool, cool, cool. Okay. All right, well that was, that was a lot of fun. I, that's the part I like most about these, these intro topics is the reminiscing. All right. So we'll go into, now the main topics is there's nothing else you want to add.

So as usual we'll go into my guest's background and sort of career journey. So first question is like, where did you grow up and what were your main influences? 

Jane: Yeah. I grew up in Southern California. My entire life I just kind of everywhere Inland Empire to Orange County, and I. I guess like for influence wise I grew up with immigrant parents, and so definitely the biggest influence was like, work hard.

I think the biggest struggle I have now, especially since I am having this like, transition in my career and what I'm learning and what I've learned, especially at the law firm too, is like just hard work. Hard work and [00:22:00] grit will get you somewhere. And that's what I followed for a really long time.

And then I just, of course got burnt out. Like I realized I was, I felt like a hamster just like running on the wheel. Like I, I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was progressing. And so, yeah, I feel like in terms of that kind of , once I got into college, I had just a lack of direction I went because that was sort of what I needed to do.

Like college was after high school got through the four years, but I do remember that first semester I called my mom. I was like, I don't wanna be in college. I could just start a business mom. Like I could be like you and I can just start a business and make money. And she was like, it, that's not hard.

She was like, that's not, that's not gonna happen. You will complete college. Which I'm glad that, you know, I had that conversation with her. But yeah, my entire undergrad year, no sense of direction. I was actually looking through [00:23:00] my transcript and I had changed my major. I think like a good handful of times. I felt like the entire time I was really searching for purpose. And it was kind of, it was discouraging. 'cause you have all these people who get into college, who are so motivated, know what their majors are. And then you see them now and they've kind of carried that path on and they're, you know, doing whatever they were studying and they've become like experts in that field.

And yeah, the influence like wasn't there, it was just like hard work, grit, like keep going. And I think at Berg that, because that was one of the first jobs where it was like my first marketing job in a firm where we were growing rapidly. And we were starting to do bigger things. It wasn't just like email campaigns or just kind of like different ways to reach people.

We were on radio stations. We started working with celebrities. We were working with sports teams. So like it was the first time that I actually [00:24:00] felt like this is my big girl job. And I was also the only female, like within the marketing position, after our marketing director had left that started taking on more roles.

And so me being young and being the only female. 'Cause at the time it was like our marketing team, were all males. We had one part-time girl and she would come in, but she was in college. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna take this role on and really excel. And at that point I felt like I did, like I had gotten my own office.

I had like I was working with like the both the attorneys fairly closely. I felt like I was in a very big leadership role and then our marketing team started growing and then I was managing I think at one point it was like a team of 11. And then I got burnt out. I felt like at a certain point I will say. I think NDAs are now fine, but there's a bit of nepotism in Bergener. So it was [00:25:00] tough to see growth outside of where I was at. So I knew I was capped, like I was just marketing coordinator. But I was taking on roles for a higher like marketing manager or almost like. I don't wanna like crap on who was our director of marketing, but at that point I was the go-to person.

J.R.: Hmm. 

Jane: So I was like, wow, look at me. Like I thought I had no direction in college. And then I found myself in my own office. I was really proud. I was the youngest person within our like department that had stepped up to the plate and started organizing, coordinating all these things. And then eventually the firm started having some disruptions, I guess. And there was like a rift happening and I, I didn't want to be part of that. Mm-hmm. So at that time, that's when I [00:26:00] asked to be remote. 'Cause I was like, I don't think we're going to be doing events or things that I need to be there physically for. So I had expressed I don't think that this is a good environment for myself.

I was like, this is, this isn't a place where I can continuously grow. So I was trying to find a way out and I asked to work remotely. So at that time, that's when I moved to Mammoth.

And then once I was in Mammoth, I think I was like working remote for about a year. And then the firm split up.

Then I started working for the other partner attorney. But yeah, throughout that time, because like towards the end of it, that's when I started really focusing on the health and wellness part because I was like, I can't continue to do this. I think I was 25 and I wasn't doing any I was overworking myself physically and mentally.

And again, it's just that hard work and grit, like that's all you have to do. But I didn't ever think about you could also do something that aligns better with what you [00:27:00] enjoy. 'Cause I am a firm believer of like, you can enjoy something at work. Like you can enjoy work, but you should also separate that from like your personal life because you don't want that to blend together.

At that time, everything was starting to blend and I was young, so I didn't have any boundaries for that. So it started severing my relationships outside of work. I was a grumpy person. I was like doing double workouts just like trying to find something to relieve the stress and like just like an outlet.

But then because I was so sucked into work, I had lost that outlet with my friends and I was like, I don't have the energy to go party. Or I didn't wanna drive out to LA after a crazy week where I was like, this is nuts. And that's when I started realizing like hard work and grit, that may have worked, but that's not something that could be sustainable. And it's not something that like, can help you grow.

And then I just found myself lost again. I was like, what am I, 'cause the influence was that [00:28:00] that was my entire posted on the wall, like that's all I followed. And then once I got to college, once I started seeing like my peers and colleagues there already motivated, like they knew immediately what their major was gonna be.

They were like, oh yeah, you know, my family, so and so in my family is this. And that's what I was inspired by. And I was like, I have that, but like, not really. And so at that point I just found myself lost and I felt like I was lost trying to figure out what my purpose was. Like I was like, okay, I've done marketing for so long now, does it bring me joy? Am I making an impact? What is marketing? Yeah, I had a little bit of an existential crisis. 

J.R.: Right. As, as as we all do once in a while. Right? Or at least, yeah, at least once. I'm curious, I know you've mentioned a lot of different elements just now, but in retrospect, what do you think contributed to that burnout?

I know we might all have different conceptions of what [00:29:00] burnout is. Yeah. But I'm curious what your conception of it is and the main elements that contributed to that. 

Jane: Yeah. I think the biggest thing was validation because I wanted so badly to be in a leadership role and I knew that I was capable.

And so I was doing everything in my power to go above and beyond to show upper management, like I could handle this. And that essentially, like, especially 'cause I was at the firm for at least half of my professional career were at the law firms. And it's a rigorous, it's a cutthroat field.

And I think, yeah, it was seeking validation because I was like, Hey I am one of the youngest in this role. I really wanted to show them that I could be marketing director or I could be higher up. At a [00:30:00] certain point I knew that wasn't gonna happen anymore. But once the firm had split, I was in a head of marketing role. And I was like, okay, this is what I wanted.

But then it's so cutthroat it went in a different direction than I had in mind that what I envisioned. And at the time the second firm, like the firm that the partner was creating, it was newer, so we're starting from the ground up. Budget was much smaller. And it wasn't California based.

It was Nevada based. Nevada, okay. So we were doing a lot of traveling to and fro same day from Orange County to Vegas. Like we would fly out in the morning. I'd come back at night and then even still trying to manage new relations. Like I'd go into these like big wig meetings and I was like, imposter syndrome hit.

And I was like, am I meant for this? And I'm like, what are we talking about right now? What are these metrics? And so, yeah, I just, I was seeking validation so much. And [00:31:00] in my mind, like I was like. It was like mad men, you know, I was like, okay we're dressed nice. Like we can, like the, it's, it's, it's the idea of it that I think I was infatuated with rather than what I was actually doing.

Like the, the content, like the meat and the potatoes of my actual job. So I think in that sense, it ended up burning me out because I, again, didn't have an outlet. Like that's all I was doing. I was just thinking about ways on like, okay, what could I do to, you know, look like I can play the part?

And then eventually it just I was like, what am I doing all of this for? I didn't feel good about myself physically or mentally. I felt like I didn't know anything at work. There were times where I couldn't even think about writing copy. Like it's just simple lines.

And I was like, I don't, like, I don't know how to be creative anymore. And so that seeking [00:32:00] validation ended up really just, I guess one discombobulated me, but I lost what my goal was, like, what I was striving for. And then I was like, what am I doing in marketing? What is what role am I playing?

And marketing is such a broad, I mean, most roles are, but marketing can be anything, 

J.R.: right? 

Jane: When you're asked to focus on everything, you're spread so thin that you're like, what can I focus on to really excel? Mm-hmm. And I really felt like I was just half-assing everything. I wasn't learning. And at that point I felt like I was just drowning.

And I was like, I don't feel good about this. And it started creating a rift between myself and upper management. It just, 'cause I was like, I don't, I no longer believe in what I'm marketing. And that's, I think, the hardest part when you can't really align with what you're trying to let others believe. And sell that product [00:33:00] or, you know, sell that vision when you don't believe it.

A lot of that just boiled down to a lot of nothing. And then I was like, oh, I think I'm burnt out. I think I'm so burnt out I can't even I guess recycle the thoughts of okay, I can, I can get out of this. There was none of that. It was just like, I have to push through.

Like in retrospect I'm like, oh, I didn't need to do any of that. Right. I could've just been like, it's fine. I could this is what I'm getting paid for to do. Like I don't need to go above and beyond.

This is what they're gonna see. So now I think about it and I am like, ugh. So young, so naive. 

J.R.: Yeah. I mean, you had to, you had to learn, right? At least at some point. Yeah. Though, yeah, I'm sure it was a painful learning experience. So I wanna get, yeah, I wanna go into now at that end of your, I guess that marketing cycle there into your pivots or anything after that.

But I wanna take a quick side tangent and ask. [00:34:00] So when you're doing marketing for a law firm or in that sort of field, what are the main tasks or goals or initiatives that you're working on? Just kinda like the nuts and bolts for the audience of like, what, what does a marketing manager, coordinator director do at a law firm?

Jane: Yeah. So, our law firm was, I mean, it grew massively, but we really started off with SEO marketing. So a lot of keywords, blogs like what to do after a car accident. Things that people would immediately Google after they got into an accident and trying to get our law firm populated as like the number one ranking that essentially, and at that point we weren't doing any paid ads.

So it was all organic marketing and that was a big portion of it. And then we started collaborating with different radio stations. And then through that, that became helping produce radio copy. So we had our principal attorney at the time had a segment on the radio for I wanna say, yeah, it was like the Dodgers radio stations.

[00:35:00] So we were providing copy for material that they can talk about. So it was like, I think like a 15, 30 minute segment and I can't remember what it was called, but it like, brings in the legal stuff from you know, like different events that happened within sports.

At one point there was a podcast and it went from just like blogs to all of a sudden, like all forms of media. Then we started doing commercials. So producing copy for commercials and then once we started doing more of the actual, like celebrity work, it was building relationships with them and then fostering that.

So yeah, it went from blogs to media to fostering relationships. And that's what I mean when like, marketing is so broad. Because at that time we weren't doing paid ads, but that's a whole nother segment. And same thing with like radio ads. That was a whole nother segment. We were working with a different person.

And then getting connected with different, like [00:36:00] radio stars or athletes that we would try to get sponsorships from or like collaborations and partnerships. So yeah, it, it definitely branched all over the spectrum. 

J.R.: Mm. I see. I see. So it wasn't like, it was evolving. And so you were doing a lot of different things and like what you mentioned.

Yeah. Near the end you were spread so thin because it's like, it's so broad. There wasn't that feedback loop of you're doing the right things, you get the validation, you get the fulfillments and you can see the impact it's making. But then at that point you were also questioning like, is this even what I'm meant to do?

Yeah. So I can see that, that, yep. Okay. Alright. That makes a lot of sense to me. So now I guess getting into that point where you burnt out, so was there something or a catalyst or some sort of pivot that you made at that point? 

Jane: Yeah. So during that time I got into a car accident and it was actually on the way to one of our holiday parties and I got rear-ended.

I remember that. I remember that. Yeah. And at like, [00:37:00] I, I had a herniated disc and so I had to go through. All the things like chiropractor or pt. I ended up getting injections for it. It still consistently hurt. And the PT that I was working with, he was like, honestly, like this is something like that you will constantly need to work on.

And Pilates or yoga anything that's core strengthening will help you with your with your pain. And so essentially as PT was ending, I ended up getting into yoga. And of course like I was really into bootcamp stuff like CrossFit type of mm-hmm like circuit training. But they were like, you can't really do that anymore.

At least for the time being like, that's not, that's gonna, you know, make everything worse. So I ended up finding a yoga studio near my house. And in true fashion, like yoga, traditional yoga was really, really tough. Like, I went to one like regular vinyasa yoga, and the entire time I was like, [00:38:00] when are we gonna speed this up?

Like, they're like, okay, now breathe. And that was really difficult as someone who's very impatient, like, like, is like, okay, what's the next thing? So after that first class, I was like, I don't think I'm gonna go back again. I found another class at that same studio where they were doing strength but it was in a heated room, so it's like a mix of yoga and weights.

So I, I did that and I was like, okay, this is a good transition. Then I found they had, they offered a yoga Pilates class, which is like Pilates and yoga, and that's what the PT had recommended. So I was like, great, so I'll do this. And that's essentially what like the car accident happened. Then all of the trying to fix my back really funneled into yoga and diving into sort of the holistic health and wellness space.

I think I was going to the studio for like seven months and then they were gonna do their yoga teacher training. And I just. I I was all in. So I ended up getting my certification [00:39:00] through them. And then the yoga teacher training itself is a very transformative, like I feel like it's one of those where it's very, you're reflecting a lot.

It's not just about the yoga poses, but you're diving deep. Like you're, like, there's a lot of like therapeutic sessions. And a big part of that is because as a yoga teacher, you're holding space for people who are coming in from all different, like walks of life, from all different types of trauma.

And so it was becoming aware of how you show up. And then, you know, creating a safe space for the people that show up to your class. And that, I think. Lit me up. I was like, oh my gosh, this is what I have been looking for. This is what I need. Especially 'cause I was like the pinnacle of burnout.

Like I, at that point I was like, and then of course like when you have an injury, you're down. You're like, this sucks. There, it's so hard to get out of the mindset of feeling [00:40:00] low. And I felt more capable when I was doing yoga. Like I was, like, I could actually move. I felt like I was being healthier because I was slowing down so much.

And at that point, like that is honestly when like my social side started to open up again. That's when I met my partner. Like my friends that I still hang out with now. That little tiny like certification it was like three months and that was probably the most appreciative and grateful thing I could have gone through at that time.

Because I don't know what would've happened on the other end of that. Like I feel like I could have just been a crazy person at work and just like blown up on everyone. But essentially that's like the start of it. And it's funny because it started with an injury and then slowly I got more and more into it.

And then now it's funny because even that has transitioned a little bit more just with I [00:41:00] guess I hate bringing politics into it, but like with the political climate and how things within the health space have changed. It's a it's been tricky. Especially 'cause I did get my health coaching certification and while I believe that holistic health and wellness is very, very helpful and it's something that people can benefit from, now it gets a little bit tricky, especially as a health coach who people are like, I don't wanna stay on my medication anymore. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like you need to be on your medication. This is not something that you can just cold Turkey, give up on. So I really think like the pendulum swings so far in the other direction and I was like trying to find somewhere in the middle.

And so like in terms of that, I feel like that's also been an interesting space to be, because I was so much into holistic, like everything holistic. I was crunchy and then now I'm [00:42:00] like, okay, we can kind of, we can dial that back a little bit. Like now I see like maybe some of this doesn't benefit me as much as I thought it did.

And then it's like finding that balance again. 'Cause I have a tendency to just go all in on everything. So now as I'm getting older, I'm like learning you can dabble first before you just like, full on, get into it. But that's like another lesson. I, I felt like that was a healthier that was like a healthier habit to get into.

And it was a good outlet. But yeah, essentially it was the car accident that led me to yoga and Pilates. 

J.R.: Interesting. Because I. From what I remember. And I, I remember that like you and me and Jenna and maybe a couple others, we did do those circuit classes. Yeah, yeah. That was so I remember there was a, there was a group of us that were really into fitness.

Yeah. I do remember something, man. Jane, I feel like you have not changed in a good way, but like, because I remember specifically one time you were telling me that you're like, oh [00:43:00] yeah, I, I do double workouts and then my brain, like, I work out every day too, but I'm like double. Like what? I couldn't conceive of that.

'cause I'd never met anyone who did double workouts. And so to me you, you've always been that sort of like full send commit person, but I didn't know that that was all because of the car accident. Were you working out before then and it just kind of, you incorporated yoga and then were more all that stuff?

Or was it because of the accident? Yeah. 

Jane: Yeah. So I'm, I've always been very much into working out. That's always been that's always been part of me especially like after college. And then, but I was like, again, just like hard send on everything. So yeah, once I did that first yoga class, I was like, this sucks.

Like this is the worst. Why are we going so slow? Like, I wanted to, I, I wanted to sweat, I wanted to like shake. But then now. If you are doing yoga, you know, correctly, and I mean not correctly, but like fully committing to yoga, you will get that same shake, right? You are sweating not even in a heated class like you [00:44:00] are sore.

It, yeah, I think it's just that mindset. Like I had to get out of that full send mindset. 'Cause that's what essentially led me to burnout. That's what essentially led me to feeling lost because I was just going without thinking. Like, I was like, all right, this is it. We're not considering any repercussions or and not even like the what ifs, but like what could happen?

Like where could this lead? Is this setting me up for success or am I just doing this for the validation? And that's something I still struggle with now, but it's definitely, I can see it happening because I've done it so many times prior. So it's like once I start to feel that, I'm like, you know what?

I don't like. Now it's just like, I don't care. There is no reason for validation. I know what I'm good at. I also know what I'm not good at, and I will voice that because I'm like, I'm not gonna set myself up for like failure. If my boss now tells me like, Hey, what about this? I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.

[00:45:00] You can find someone else do that. I have no confidence in it. And I think there's so much power in that. And something that I wish I had, again, it's a lesson that I've learned like, but being just like, no, I can't. 

J.R.: Yeah. Okay. So I have a few different, I guess, directions we can go. But my general thought is I want to go into either your journey into the, like health coaching space and or how that kind of transitioned to, I think what you said now going into nursing.

Yeah. And I know we put into the, I put into the questions like that sort of career transition, which I think is very insightful. On your end of your, into your career and deciding to make that pivot or going back into school, where do you wanna start first? 

Jane: Well, what I can do is mix it all up because essentially those three points have led me to where I'm at now.

Yeah. So I, once I left the law [00:46:00] firm, I was actually I was let go of that firm right before the pandemic. And it was, so at the time my dad was battling pancreatic cancer and it was. 2020 right at the cusp of the beginning. I lost my job, then I got a one-way ticket to Korea, like three or four days before everything shut down.

So I flew out there. And that was like, sort of, I was in and out of the hospital in Korea. And Korea during quarantine was very different. It was not as strict. So we were in and out of the hospital a lot. And that was sort of like where I had my first introduction to a clinical environment and just kind of observing what the nurses were doing.

And so like at that time I, like my interest was peaked. I was like, oh, you know, this seems like something that I would enjoy. And then during that time I really was focusing on my personal health because the [00:47:00] way that my departure from the company was was probably, was, it wasn't great.

It left me very traumatized. And so it took me a lot of time to try to recover. And meanwhile it's like everything's happening in the world. But that's when I started really focusing on like, okay, my yoga, like what, what can I lean on? Like my yoga practice, things that I can do that aren't necessarily, like in Korea, I couldn't really find a gym.

And also it's like COVID time. So like, it just was weird. And I also felt weird trying to find a gym while my dad was sick. Like it was a lot of places where I felt torn. So that was sort of like the first glimpse of nursing. And then once I got back into the states, I found a job with a female entrepreneur and she focused on building businesses for female wellness entrepreneurs.

And that was the first time I got introduced to health coaching. I didn't know what health coaching was. And then once I [00:48:00] figured out what health coaching was, I was like, oh, I was really interested in nursing. I feel like health coaching is somewhere in between where I don't have to necessarily go through like a, an entire like school curriculum.

It was a six month program. I was gonna get certified and then essentially be able to coach people. And that's where I was like, oh, I can, this is something that I align with so much. 'cause not only do I wanna help people, I think the biggest thing was like I wanted to help people. But it was such a great way to connect after the pandemic.

And people were on a huge health kick. And so they, like, everyone sort of had their different paths, but health coaching at that time was sort of perfect because people like in the pandemic, like didn't really know how to like, take care of them themselves. They were like, I'm working out, I'm doing all these things.

Like how can I keep up with this post pandemic? So that's how I got into health coaching and it was really fun. And then, the I guess the portion of the company [00:49:00] that I was working for with the female entrepreneur, she collapsed that part. So then I was out of a job again. My partner was like, you're really good at being fun employed.

I was like, listen, if that's my career headline, I will take it. Like, he was like, you, you are really good at that. I was like, I, and I think because I'm someone that like, I was like, as a startup, let's do it. I was like I want to be able to be part of something. And again, that's where that validation still kind of stuck around.

Then I ended up finding a job, the job that I'm currently at that is a health coaching school. So I got certified through them and then sort of went through building my health coaching business. And when I had first started my role at my current job I had a little bit more time and there were resources.

They were like, you know what? Try these things out. Get to know our program. So I was util I was utilizing all the resources. So I was able to build my business. I was taking in clients and it [00:50:00] was really fun. But then work got really busy and so I had to slowly start to wean off the number of clients and then eventually I had to just sunset my business.

I just couldn't keep up with it and I was like, it's unfair for like my clients to show up and I'm unavailable. And that was, was the same thing, like showing up as a yoga teacher. If you're not in the right mindset, you're showing up. You know, in a way that's not going to serve who you're trying to serve.

So at that point, like 20 20, 20 21, right as I moved to Colorado was like when I was heavily into holistic health and wellness. And then I was doing all these different types of things because I had been certified from two different schools and the current company I work for is very paleo like keto. We're like primal based.

And so I was following that for a while and then I realized it just didn't align with my body. And then I felt like how could I coach this to my clients if I [00:51:00] am not getting the results or like, feeling great myself? So then I sort of started to shift my business as well.

To it, it evolved more to like, female health and wellness. So it was like tracking your cycle. Then I got really into like, let's bring what I love. So like working out like sort of that like again heavy lifting, let's bring that back in. How could I meet in the middle with that? So I started focusing on clients, helping females with like cycle tracking, working out during different phases of their cycle.

And then that was working for me really well. But again, I started seeing signs of burnout with my current company. Like the role was starting to get really rigorous. And it's, we're all remote, so it was hard 'cause I didn't know who to. Who to connect with in terms of like, 'cause I'm, I, and I still am the only person in the marketing department. But when you're that one person, like you don't know who you're supposed [00:52:00] to like ask help for.

Mm-hmm. And my boss lives in Australia, so when his day starts is when our day is ending. So like that time difference in the beginning was really tricky. Now it's like we kind of have a system down. But I started seeing signs of burnout and I wanted to cut that off early. So then I was like, okay, what I can do is start cleaving off the things that I can't pay attention to, which is when I started sunset setting my business. I was still teaching yoga, but I cut down on how many courses or how many classes I was teaching.

And then really just focused on like, okay, I don't wanna burn out. This is my primary source of income, so I'm going to make it work in a way that I won't get burnt out like that. I won't fall into that same pattern. And then in 2022, my partner was diagnosed with brain cancer. And so we ended up kind of going through the cycle of being in the hospital again.

And then at that point, I really fell in love with nursing. And I [00:53:00] think the hardest part, like both, like with my dad and my partner for someone who doesn't know, like being in healthcare or like not having a general idea, like that feeling of being helpless was like, I don't even know the word to describe.

I just, I, I couldn't do anything. I was like, I could be there, but I wanted to do more. And the nurses kind of held that answer. They were like, like, you know, like this is the symptom. Okay, great. This is what we can do. This is how we can help. And I started talking to a lot of the nurses at that time and then really started getting into it.

And I was like, I think what, like my unique stance for nursing is that I have a holistic health background. Like I understand the nutritional needs. But also I'm a huge believer in science. So it's like I'm so fascinated by how well the body works to heal itself. [00:54:00] So once I, you know, started talking to the nurses and talked to a lot of travel nurses. And at that time like a couple of my friends were also like kind of going through the same transition as I was pivoting their career and going into nursing.

And so that had a lot of influence. And then I just, I was like. This is, I think this is the path that I want to take. Especially because like of all that I've learned. All the influence that I've had, and then for the past 10 years I've been in marketing and I haven't felt like I've made an impact.

Like I haven't felt like I've done anything. And then so I started volunteering at the hospital. I now work part-time at the hospital and it's been way more rewarding knowing I can physically, hands-on help someone felt like I was almost unlocking something that like I didn't know was like locked up.

Like that feeling of, okay, I don't wanna feel helpless anymore. What can I do to [00:55:00] physically be able to help? And I think it's that like almost innate feeling of like, I can't just stand there and be like, oh, everything is gonna be fine. I'm like, okay, let's get into it. What's happening.

And so that's essentially where that pivot slowly started to occur. And then I now that I'm old, my prerequisites did not, did not cut it. So I had to retake all my prerequisites again. Which I was like, you know what? My undergrad years like, don't look at that. But going back to school with a purpose was so much more different compared to my undergrad years.

Undergrad, lack of direction, no motivation. Didn't know what I wanted to do. This time, I know what I want to do. I'm so interested in it. I'm also paying for it myself. So that's like also a big thing. But. It took a lot of time to figure out, and I'm sure that interest will change again, and I'm expecting that to change.

But in this season of my life, nursing seems like the one thing that finally feels [00:56:00] like it fits. And making that pivot from a completely different field and talking to the different nurses that I work with, they're like, oh, you have no healthcare background. I was like, no, I don't. Like I have holistic healthcare.

I can tell you the types of foods to eat during your period, like. But it is very interesting to talk to nurses who've been in nursing their entire career and they're like, this is, I hate this job, but I love it. And I'm like, that's with any career. But at this point in my life I've been so motivated by wanting to help and learning more about how the body works in a way that holistic health doesn't really tell you.

It's, it's essentially a pseudoscience. But I'm a huge believer in it. I love all the woo woo stuff. But combining that with the scientific knowledge has been super eye-opening. And it's like some of the woo woo stuff definitely is like, there is a scientific backing to it, [00:57:00] like, why you feel this way.

And essentially if you get like down to the core of it, it's oh, you know, like this is what's causing your sodium to go up and why you start to feel like this and why breathing deeper helps with this. And so there is that meeting of the minds. And so it's been like a, a 180. And again, the catalysts were unfortunate events, but at the same time it's been, it's those moments I feel like give you the clarity to figure out like what's really important, what do you align with? Is this worth it?

And it's almost like if, even if you don't know, just go for it. 'cause you'll figure it out on the way. If I was going through like my pre-reqs and I absolutely hated it, I probably would've been like, you know what, I don't wanna do this. I'm gonna have to go to school for nursing anyways.

Like, why am I putting myself through this? But going to school after you haven't been in school is such a humbling experience. But in that sense, I felt [00:58:00] so much better about where I was in my life knowing that I'm progressing instead of just letting myself fall back into that burnout cycle. And having that choice to like lift myself up and literally turn myself around and say like, this is another option. You don't have to stay here.

And so it's like again, in the future if I'm like, you know what, nursing isn't for me. I can, like, I've done it before, so I'm like, pick myself up, figure out what else is something that like, I enjoy, yeah, I think, I think it's, it's tough because it's, it's easy to stay comfortable.

But that's like, I'm afraid of complacency. I'm like, no, I can't. Just, 

J.R.: that checks out. Yeah. 

Jane: Yeah. It's, yeah. It's one of those things where I do feel like if I'm not progressing in life, then I feel like I am stagnant. Like I need to be doing something. I, we, we have the ability to learn. We have the ability to dig deeper.

Even if it's just as a [00:59:00] hobby. If you're fully into whatever hobby. Like I am, like looking at the historical facts of it. I'm like, how did this come to be? Like and it's interesting 'cause it's like you meet so many different people when you have these like odd like interests and these like niche items and you're like.

Oh, I'm not the only one that there. There are very little, but I'm like, oh, so I'm not the only person that thinks about this. 

J.R.: Yeah. 

Jane: Yeah. 

J.R.: Nice. Thank you for sharing that. That's I think you're, you path to where you are today is very insightful and I think it, at least for me as someone listening to it, I think it gives a lot of hope because I think all of us will hit roadblocks and have these challenges that might make us pivot.

But I think the way you've approached it and now have come to this point is, is you know, no short of inspiring because I feel like, [01:00:00] I think at one point in time we'll all feel kind of lost and kind of hitting our head against the wall, but once you can kind of direct that energy, or if someone is kind of like yourself where they have all this pent up like energy to go in a direction, but you're like, but I'm gonna burn off.

I don't go in the right direction. But then eventually you'll figure it out. I think that's like my biggest takeaway. 

Jane: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. 

J.R.: Cool. Okay, so we are at a little bit over an hour. So I would like to go to rapid fire questions, and I know you probably have a lot more and there's a lot of questions we did not get to, so maybe if it's in the cards, we can do part two.

I would love to have you back. But you ready for rapid fire questions? 

Jane: Yes. 

J.R.: Cool. Awesome. I'm scared. No, it'll be, this is the fun part, at least for me. Okay. Again, the name of the game, rapid fire questions, but you don't have to go fast on the questions and you can pass any ones that you, you know, want to answer.

So first one is Billboard question. If you could put up a sign for millions of people to see, what would it say? Metaphorical, non-commercial. 

Jane: I know I was like coming from marketing, [01:01:00] I'm like, all I can think about is marketing. 

J.R.: That's why I was like. I could see it. I could see it.

Jane: I would put, I would put a bunch like really cute pet photos and say, have a nice day.

J.R.: I like it. I've never gotten that before, but that's, I like it. Okay, next one. What is one of the hardest challenges you face in your life and would you learn from it? 

Jane: Well, everything discussed in this podcast. I think the biggest takeaway from probably the hardest things is when it comes to work life balance it's really not that hard.

Like work is just work. There are things in life that you don't like it. I feel like people put a lot of pressure on it. But once it comes down to it, like just enjoy what you're doing. Figure out what it is that you like, because otherwise you're just gonna hit your head against the wall and not be happy.

J.R.: [01:02:00] Right. Okay. Next one. It's an either or. So if you could either redo one thing, what would you do differently? Or if you could give your younger self advice, what would it. 

Jane: If I could redo something, I would go back to college and actually try. I think that would be my, yeah. 

J.R.: Nice. I, I feel that because it, it's hard because it's not that I don't think we wanted to try, 'cause I feel the same way, but it's more just like, we also didn't really know what to do at that point.

Right. So, 

Jane: yeah. I think it's also difficult to have an 18-year-old choose their major. Of course that's going to Yeah. You know, set the course for their life. And I think about like, when I am taking classes with 18 year olds and I'm like, oh, what, like what are you trying to do? And they're like, oh, they say something and then they stop showing up to class.

I'm like, well technically you're my lab partner. Like, I'm like, oh, okay. Well, and at the time it's like, you're away from home. At least I was. And so [01:03:00] I like. I spent my years partying. I spent my years doing all the things, and now it's out of my system and I don't crave it anymore. Right. Yeah. So I'm like, it's done.

J.R.: Yeah, definitely. I feel it. Okay. How do you define success? 

Jane: I think success changes and it could be, it doesn't have to be like one thing. I think it could be success in multiple different areas. So it could be success in your social life depending on you know, how strong your relationships are. Success in your financial, like how secure you feel. And it doesn't have to be comparable with other people's numbers.

I think it definitely is defined by your own terms rather than trying to hit. Like a goal, like a threshold. I think success can change any day. And it can go lower or it can go higher just depending on what part of your life you're in.

J.R.: Hmm. Okay. I like it. All right. I'm curious how you [01:04:00] answered this one, but it is if you knew you. Okay. So the original question is, if you knew you couldn't fail, what would you do? But actually this version is if you knew you would fail regardless, what would you do anyway because the journey is worth it. 

Jane: I think right now, like exactly what I'm doing, there's a lot of uncertainty.

Like if I get into the nursing program that I'm applying to. It's an accelerated program, so it's Monday through Friday, I can't have a full-time job. Mm-hmm. Like I am like, where's my source of income? I have no idea. But it's like at the end of the day, like, I'm just gonna go for it because I will be sad if I don't like. You know, I could lose a lot, but I could also gain a lot. 

J.R.: Right, right. It's one of those things like minimizing regrets, right? Yeah. Like, you know that by doing it, you're not gonna regret it, even if it succeeds or fails, whatever. At least you know that you, you went for it, right? 

Jane: Yeah. Yeah. 

J.R.: What's something that you've been pondering recently or have been [01:05:00] thinking about deeply often if we haven't already covered it?

Jane: I think that's a good question. 'cause I feel like I go through these all randomly throughout the day. I think I do think about, so I love being alone. And I'm really good at doing things by myself. I think what I, what I do ponder is if it's an inability or a, a fear of connecting with people. I think when I meet someone new, I meet them without that thought that I might be friends with them for a really long time. It's, I almost feel like I do it in a very superficial way where I go into the mindset of, I'm gonna meet you, but I'm probably never gonna see you again. So it's, it's, I, I've noticed that, and I think maybe because I spend too much time by myself. My partner is very rambunctious, like very out there.

So he's the one that like talks to a bunch of people and then he's like, by the way, [01:06:00] we got invited to their house war party. And I'm like, oh my gosh, you just met them. So I think in that sense, like. Meeting people. I can talk, I can talk a lot as you guys can, as you know. But yeah, I, I ponder like is me is the fact that I spend a lot of time and I'm so comfortable being alone, almost a detriment to my social life.

J.R.: I like that a lot. I feel like I've been pondering some similar things, but yeah. Maybe we'll go into that another time, but I like that. Okay. Do you have a favorite hot take or something that you think most people won't agree with? Doesn't have to be controversial necessarily. Yeah. I like to think of it as like something that you just think is true, but you don't think most people also believe it's true, right?

Like, not necessarily like a controversial take, right? 

Jane: Yeah. Well, I mean, I would say so. I've been saying this a lot. There are a lot of like. Because I've been shopping for Black Friday, like [01:07:00] snowboard gear and stuff. Winter gear. I would love for more female designers or women centered designers to create clothing in a male dominated sport for women.

Like I have a balaclava that doesn't, and I'm sure this is out there. I was running today and my balaclava is definitely designed for men because there is no hole for your ponytail. So my hair, like, there are things like that where I will just complain. Women's bibs, snowboard bibs. There are very few that have a butt flap so you can actually go pee.

J.R.: Oh, interesting. 

Jane: Yeah. There are things like that that I'm just like. A man designed this without a woman in mind, I get really pissed about it because it is very inconvenient. 

J.R.: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Like those things don't exist. That's crazy. 

Jane: Like I'm sure it does, but it's not as like [01:08:00] prevalent, like 

J.R.: Gotcha.

Yeah. 

Jane: Yeah. Like you can order all these things. Like I definitely search for bibs, like snowboard bibs that have a butt flap. But you would think all women's like, right. Snowboard gear should have that they don't. Same thing with like. I'm gonna be like very winter, but snowboard boots, it's really hard to find.

Like there are plenty of women's boots, but if you go to like REI or some type of like, gear shop, I see the men's section is huge. 

J.R.: Right. 

Jane: And then you go to the women's section and it's like maybe two sections. Same thing with sports. If you go to a, like a sports like shop, like at the game and you go check out all their clothes, it is all, like, jerseys are kind of unisex, but like men.

Mm-hmm. And then it's women and I'm like, 

J.R.: Like small section. 

Jane: Yeah. And I, I, I've been, that's something that I've been like very stuck on lately because I'm like, well, it looks like a man designed this. [01:09:00] But I have been finding a lot of inconveniences. Right. Just, yeah. So the, that's, that's my hot take.

Women, I like it. Be designing a lot more of these things. 

J.R.: Right, right. So my thought is, is it like a supply and demand thing? Because there just aren't a lot of women in those spaces, and so therefore, like the, the market doesn't ask for a lot of it and therefore you have to kind of go outta your way to find it.

Jane: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I am definitely, I will say like in my life, the sort of segments of things that I'm interested in are very male dominated. Which is funny because I am like a full send person. Right, right, right. So it's like snowboarding, very male dominated. Minimal, like women's stuff. Sports, I go to a lot of like games and not very female centric.

Even if you go to like a female focused game it, it's not, it's like more unisex and they're being inclusive about it. But I am like, I would like something that. Is [01:10:00] there's like a little bit more options. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I, I, I do realize that. And I think like Colorado, because it's so outdoorsy and there's like so much stuff, there's like more available, but it's hard to, it's hard to find.

Whereas like my partner, he is like, oh, I just found these boots. Look at these. And I'm like, oh, it's taken me like five months to figure out like which boot works for me. And then, you know, every year he buys a brand new snowboard. Yeah. And this will be my like, last thing 'cause I know we're going over on time.

J.R.: That's okay. 

Jane: So we have, we have powder boards and there are a lot of male, like they can be unisex, but they're for males and powder boards. They're like surfboards. So they have a pointed nose and the tail could either be like a swallow tail. Sometimes it's not, it's not at like the same uniformed as like a normal snowboard that you would see.

I wanted a, a powder board so badly and it took me forever to [01:11:00] find one that's for females, 'cause I'm shorter. Finally found a company that like, I was like, I, they make my size, they make multiple options and then they shut down. 

J.R.: Oh.

Jane: Yeah. But that was like another thing, like I was like, you know, all these guys have so many snowboard options and they just think us girls don't need like all these special boards. And then mm-hmm. So it's, and and it's also very interesting when I do have my special boards or like multiple things. But they'll say, oh, I didn't know that they made like girl size in that.

And I'm like, okay. Or I've been riding for a long time and again, I ride with a lot of guys because like you mentioned, it's not as many females. So it's sort of like up. I don't know if it's a blessing in disguise, but it's because I ride with the guys, they always go to tougher terrains and I'm like, why did I do [01:12:00] this?

Like, why am I here? But because you're challenged. Mm. Like you end up navigating and obviously you start to improve. And one, it's like, I'm the only girl, so it's like I have to keep up or else I'm just gonna be lost in the trees. So sometimes I'll get comments like, for a girl, you ride really well. And I'm like, I think for a boy you ride.

Okay. Like why? Why would you say something like that? So those are the things that recently I have been very focused on and honed in on. 'cause I'm like, what is this situation? Mm. 

J.R.: I like it. Dang. That's crazy. 

Jane: Yeah. 

J.R.: Cool. Alright. On the, on, almost on the similar topic, what is one of the best or most worthwhile investments you've ever made in either time, money, energy, et cetera?

Jane: Whew. I think the best investment I have made, I guess two things. [01:13:00] One, going back to school and investing in my education. 'cause I think as you get older you don't really think about that. And I think additionally spending I think, I know I said earlier, it's kind of a, a detriment to my social life.

But spending time with myself, I think, you know, when I was in my twenties it was really, really difficult to be alone and do things by myself. And it took years to get comfortable with that. So spending time with getting to know who I am, like and finding what, if I am by myself, like what triggers me to feel uncomfortable, like eating by yourself.

Am I gonna pull out my phone? Am I am I gonna try to connect with someone like if I'm out somewhere? And another thing, like I don't drink anymore. So, one of the things is like, everyone around you may be drinking. How do you sit with being okay with that? And that was also a big thing.

And I think that was part of the journey of learning to be comfortable with myself. [01:14:00] But it definitely, I think investing time in yourself without any distractions, like learning to kind of detach. 'Cause I mean, I think it's very clear that we're all very stuck to any type of media. And it's.

Tough to kind of go back to like when you were younger and you're like, I used to just play with my pencil. Like, yeah, like spending, like going back to basics and learning to be okay without anything. 

J.R.: I like it. Okay. Last two. What is a f favorite recent purchase you've made recently in the, let's say, 50 to a hundred dollars range that has impacted your life the most?

If anything comes to mind? Mm. 

Jane: I don't know if anything comes to mind. 5,250 

J.R.: to a hundred? Yeah. Just like a relatively, oh, 50 to a hundred. I was like 50 to hundred. Like a relatively cheap purchase. The consumerism question. 

Jane: I don't know. I, I, I haven't really purchased anything. I [01:15:00] guess my scrubs. 

J.R.: Okay.

There you go. And it's, it's a good pair of scrubs. I, I assume? 

Jane: Yeah. I mean, it, it's like wearing sweatpants to work so Nice. It's kind of nice you. 

J.R.: Okay. Last one. Any favorite books, movies, videos, articles, media, or anything else that you share or recommend the most? 

Jane: I, so a couple things. Atomic Habits is probably the, my number one favorite book.

Like, that's what I would send as like our like partying gift with my clients. Atomic Habits I love I love fictional books, but I always tell people like, I'm like, you can get audible, you can do all these things, but if you sign up for your local library, you can download books, you can help the library.

Mm-hmm. And you could also download the Libby app to listen to audio books. And I dunno, I think that's really it. I can go on about books, but that's like a whole different po like that's different podcast. Yeah. That's all 

J.R.: good. Yeah. Atomic Habits is good. And [01:16:00] then support your local library I think is good too.

Jane: Yeah. Yeah. 

J.R.: Cool. All right. That is it for rapid fire questions. You made it to the end. Congrats, Jane. Thank you. Let's go into ending questions. So we always end with gratitude. Shout out to my mom for teaching me this. So Jane, what are you grateful for? 

Jane: I'm grateful to, to be where I'm at and have the people in my life and have the opportunities.

I'm grateful for my failures and I'm grateful for my successes, and I'm grateful for my dog. 

J.R.: I like it. Cool. All right. Do you have any final ask from the audience or any final takeaways you would like them to have from the show? 

Jane: I think the biggest thing is it doesn't matter how old you are or where you're at in your life.

If you are unhappy, you have the choice to make changes and change won't happen unless you actually act on it.

J.R.: Okay. Final question, Jane, if people want to see what you're up to or [01:17:00] connect or anything like that, if you're open, do you have any places where they can find you? If not, it's totally fine, but just asking. 

Jane: Yeah. I usually, I, I mean, I have my personal, but I, for someone in marketing, I don't care about my social media presence at all.

J.R.: Yeah. So kind of the same, 

Jane: Unfortunately. No place to find me. 

J.R.: Yeah. You're just gonna have to send good vibes into the universe to, yeah. Hopefully reaches Jane. Nice. We like it. Yeah. All good. Okay. Alright, Jane, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. Thank you for sharing your story. I think it was fantastic and I, I've personally got a lot from it.

Hopefully the audience will enjoy it as well. So yeah, thank you for being here. 

Jane: Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for thinking of me. 

J.R.: Yeah, of course. It's always nice to connect with old friends, old colleagues and everything like that. Yeah. And then just pick your brains on what you've learned and that's the whole ethos of this show.

So cool. All right. I will do my final sign off for the audience before I stop the recording. So thank you guys for being [01:18:00] here. I really appreciate it. Be sure to like, follow, subscribe, comments, all that fun stuff. I would say leave Jane Love in the comments. She probably won't see it, so just leave me love in the comments.

I guess my own ego. 

Jane: Yeah, you can send it to me. 

J.R.: Yeah, I'll, I'll let Jane know that you guys say nice things. If you guys do say anything. Yeah, reminder to always be kind to other people, especially yourself and remember that you can always learn something from someone if you take the time to listen. So thank you guys for being here.

Jane: Thank you.